no, i didn't know that the June 2019 US Politics thread was nasty

we already have a word for people

I often use "folks" in favor of "people" because in certain contexts the word "people" has undergone a degree of pejoration (going from a positive or neutral sense to a negative one)... it feels impersonal and a little too distancing/othering when prefaced by an adjective. This may be no more than the effect of being a default term coming up frequently in speech that calls out a specific subset of the population (usually problematic), and thus a sort of a fall guy word. So I look to substitute it with a softer term. Like "folks". Note that I'm not making any claims about how effective doing so is as an attempt at amelioration; I'm just saying that's one explanation for why we might do it. Also, as a replacement for "guys" it is less gender-specific.

It might be that pejoration is a linguistic phenomenon driven by culture, a different category of language change than something like ignoring the who/whom distinction or pronouncing "nuclear" the way George Bush does (which we assign a cultural value to *after* it arises in the language). We tend to shoot the messenger when it comes to pejoration... this lexical instability is the verbal shadow of some instability in the culture. There's some problem we can't come to grips with, so we're constantly talking around it.

that’s all, y’all!

also “all y’all” is the plural of “y’all,” afaict?

pronouncing "nuclear" the way George Bush does

Historical trivia alert: the first president to consistently mispronounce nuclear as "new-kew-lur" was Dwight Eisenhower.

sometimes “people” works better than “folks”. like: “We tortured some _____.”

"y'all" is plural, "all y'all" just means ALL y'all

a short way of describing the current problem with saying “people” is that it often seems to travel with a preceding silent “you”

My confession to add to all this is that I actually prefer “dudes”

good morning!

Well, to be clear- y’all for second person plural over there; dudes for second person plural over here

Historical trivia alert: the first president to consistently mispronounce nuclear as "new-kew-lur" was Dwight Eisenhower.

It's not a mispronunciation. American and British speakers, for example, pronounce "clientele" in distinct ways. Neither pronunciation is wrong.

People think "y'all" can be used in the singular because it sometimes gets used to refer to an entity or a group when conversing with one member of that group. For example, when I worked at a bookstore, people talking to me would ask me "can y'all take this back if I don't like it?" They're talking to me, but referring to the bookstore which I am a part of. A third party less familiar with "y'all" overhearing that might assume they were using it as the second person singular.

Far more entertaining if you come from a y'all-free zone is the possessive form, which sometimes is realized as "y'all'ses" (yall-ziz) and always makes me happy when I hear it in the wild.

I've ben using "y'all" instead of "guys" the last couple years. When I speak to Republicans, I call them "asswipes."

"It's not a mispronunciation. American and British speakers, for example, pronounce "clientele" in distinct ways. Neither pronunciation is wrong."

maybe but pronouncing "nuclear" as "nucular" is wrong, sorry.

Ruling on 'NOO-kah-luhr' plz

Iran leadership doesn’t understand the words “nice” or “compassion,” they never have. Sadly, the thing they do understand is Strength and Power, and the USA is by far the most powerful Military Force in the world, with 1.5 Trillion Dollars invested over the last two years alone..

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) June 25, 2019

his feelings are hurt bring on the war

he's mad because Hassan Rouhani said the White House was “afflicted by mental retardation.”

Hey Donnie, why don't you take a stab at defining 'nice' and 'compassion' for us, you walking flesh void.

Hassan otm

broke: spending $1.6tn to cancel student debt
woke: spending $1.5tn to murder iranian children

So this latest DoJ file reveals that Duncan Hunter had an affair with at least three different lobbyists, one of his own staff members, and an aide to a member of the GOP leadership team.

— Sam Stein (@samstein) June 25, 2019

the best and the brightest horniest

wow where did he find the time out from his busy schedule of vaping on the floor of congress and enthusiastically committing campaign finance crimes

I look forward to our trillion dollar navy getting sunk by thousands of cheap cruise missiles

A society of the macabre. "Among supporters of the death penalty, support for a nuclear strike [on North Korea] actually rose from 38 percent to 49 percent when the number of expected North Korean fatalities increased from 15,000 to 1.1 million." https://t.co/e8mGvid17h

— Tim Shorrock (@TimothyS) June 25, 2019

we already made a grand gesture of our total indifference to human life by electing Trump tho

We did that by electing Reagan

We did that by electing Reagan Nixon

fixed

nixon andrew jackson

NC lawmaker says Lincoln ‘unjustly invaded’ the South, a ‘sovereign nation’

People in the old Confederate states say that shit all the time. They will never let go of it. The correct rejoinder for that kind of person is to accuse them of not "bearing true allegiance to the United States of America", because that turns the conversation into whether or not they are patriotic Americans and there's no way they won't swear up and down that they're ten times more patriotic than anyone else alive.

here we go again, look the United States has long had a record of invading hostile countries who engage in documented human rights abuses and atrocities so you know they had to put the smackdown on the CSA just like they did Germany, i don't see why this is so hard to understand for guys like that.

One of the failures of the Vietnamese revolution is Meghan McCain. https://t.co/u7N5pDAnOz

— Dennis Perrin (@DennisThePerrin) June 25, 2019

I had a brilliant college physics professor who pronounced nuclear "nucular." There's a good chance he was just trolling, but either way I admired him for it.

he also said "nuculus"

People in the old Confederate states say that shit all the time. They will never let go of it. The correct rejoinder for that kind of person is to accuse them of not "bearing true allegiance to the United States of America", because that turns the conversation into whether or not they are patriotic Americans and there's no way they won't swear up and down that they're ten times more patriotic than anyone else alive.

― A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, June 25, 2019 12:59 PM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

These people were told by their grade school textbooks that Confederates were a part of a long American patriotic tradition of standing up for their own against an oppressive government, so this argument would sound absurd to them.

According to the Times, Pelosi fielded concerns from dozens of House Democrats on Sunday after calling for the passage of the $4.5 billion in emergency humanitarian aid. Pelosi claimed the bill protects families and “does not fund the administration’s failed mass detention policy.” However, more than 30 members of the Progressive Caucus and more than 15 members of the Hispanic Caucus told her that the bill didn’t hold migrant shelters to higher standards and didn’t stop the funds from being used for immigration enforcement.

“We all want to address the problems at the border, but we don’t know that there are enough sticks in this bill to make sure that the Trump administration actually spends the money the way they’re supposed to,” Washington Rep. Pramila Jayapal, a co-chair of the CPC, told the Times. “He’s creating these crises and then trying to point a finger at Democrats to give him more money, which he then uses for his own purposes.”

https://splinternews.com/aoc-and-other-democrats-are-rebelling-against-nancy-pel-1835836002

i would think that it would be a bad idea to get into an argument with a confederate loving racist about how patriotic they are, but that's because i think life is too short to spend arguing about patriotism with some terrible person who is probably concealing a handgun

When dueling culture is re-established by and in the south it will be interesting. I swear i will not be surprised. The way southern congressmen intimidated northern whigs was often very explicitly physical threats.

“David often tells young people, Americans don’t want to fight. But if someone picks a fight for us, we’ll win. We fight for love of our country,” the Trump told an audience at the White House.

Guardian and others should refer to him as 'the Trump' more

if he wasn't such a moron one could appreciate the subtlety of "for us" instead of "with us" in that statement

When dueling culture is re-established by and in the south it will be interesting. I swear i will not be surprised. The way southern congressmen intimidated northern whigs was often very explicitly physical threats.

― Hunt3r, Tuesday, June 25, 2019 4:32 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Don’t forget beating someone nearly to death by cane!

https://medium.com/@letterforawealthtax/an-open-letter-to-the-2020-presidential-candidates-its-time-to-tax-us-more-6eb3a548b2fe

it's past time, but why quibble?

https://art19.com/shows/why-is-this-happening-with-chris-hayes/episodes/bfdeff10-9cf1-4e7e-a0e6-3ec851362f0d
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/think/amp/ncna946711

m bison not sure how well those links translate but this sorta informal interview was wild for me.

politics in the 19th c were FUUUUUUCKED up

For those who mourn the collapse of comity and bipartisanship, the parties between 1865 and 1901 were locked the fuck down.

those were amazing years in the US, nothing but good stuff

https://thumbs-prod.si-cdn.com/witAV2R8o_5IWn3I0JjqNvdcivo=/fit-in/1600x0/https://public-media.si-cdn.com/filer/Past-Imperfect-Cleveland-child.jpg

tbf, pretty much every year in human history has been objectively terrible

2008 was p good

thats when i got married and graduated college, that was p good