Seizing back control: The ILX lol brexit is how we're all gonna die thread.

LG going full-on 'For Britain' between now and five years seems eerily inevitable.

sounds good (its the continuity I was talking about from Enoch Powell to Ed M a few weeks ago).

Yeah, it did bring that discussion to mind - a continuity of structural racism propped up by both parties that May (and now Johnson) is the only the latest iteration of, if you're black in Britain.

To push back against that tho, one thing Olusoga said has changed is that when he was growing up in the 80's and faced racist abuse people's reactions were "well that's just the way it is", open racism was a socially acceptable position. It no longer is, and Olusoga is worried that this might change back - which is I think akin to what people fear from a Boris govt. Of course the structural stuff happens regardless, but open bigotry being acceptable or not does have a real impact on people's lives.

many xps but UK democracy problems are a lot bigger than just parliamentary system + FTPA + FPTP. The fact that a minority PM under this system still can use things like royal ascent and statutory measures is truly insane. Unfortunately failure of PR referendum and taste for "strong leadership" means this will not change. Or I dunno maybe we don't really want democracy as a country, except in one very specific case a few years back.

An event so democratic that it has deferred the need for further democracy sine die.

britain is abt as undemocratic as it's possible to be while still being able to claim with a more or less straight face that it's A Democracy

If anything there's been a decrease in democracy from the high water mark somewhere in the 1960s/70s - more centralization of government and political party mechanisms, more quangos, the EU nah just kidding let's be cool

xp I think you're underestimating the ability of people who win elections on a mandate of 96% of the electorate to keep a straight face.

(but yeah)

apropos of nothing being currently discussed - why can't i find more than one picture of sajid javid with hair

what is he hiding

jeremy.......... careful

Jeremy Corbyn asks Theresa May: "What would be worse: crashing out with no deal in October, or putting this issue back to the people for a final say?"

— Adam Bienkov (@AdamBienkov) June 24, 2019

bUt LaBouR's aNtIsEmItiSM

Nearly half of Conservative party members would prefer not to have a Muslim prime minister, a survey into the scale of Islamophobia in the party has suggested.

The poll, carried out by YouGov for the anti-racism group Hope Not Hate, also found that more than two-thirds of Tory members believe the myth that parts of the UK are under Sharia law, and 45% think some areas are not safe for non-Muslims.

Half of the party’s members think that Islamophobia is a big issue, but only 8% believe it is a problem within the party, the survey found.

more than two-thirds of Tory members believe the myth that parts of the UK are under Sharia law, and 45% think some areas are not safe for non-Muslims

lol what

where’s that from ? BBC ?

wake up tracer, you can't visit bridlington nowadays without pledging allegiance to isis

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/24/tory-members-would-not-want-muslim-prime-minister-islamophobia-survey

no can you post the BBC link please. it’s where most people get their news from. interested in their framing

what

my twitter is really acting up

can someone post the most up to date vn of this search? last hit on mine is showing as 2017 for some odd reason
https://mobile.twitter.com/search?q=from%3Abbclaurak%20islamophobia&src=typed_query

(he's doing a 'bit')

(also not actually reading the twitter searches he's posting)

Calm, good-natured country, posting as it always does.

Britain used to be a moderate, good-natured, and fundamentally calm country, which celebrated its practical judgment and resistance to utopianism. Three years of culture war have basically driven it insane https://t.co/bE7AcqMWDT

— Ian Dunt (@IanDunt) June 24, 2019

sorry yes I missed her one other tweet on the topic. I’m sure it’s fine though - maybe if I search her tweets for baroness warsi I’ll have more luck...

dunty.......... you did brexit

I'm sorry the last 3 years have been beastly after 1000+ of people knowing their place and not rocking the boat

is dunt thinking or a different nation named britain or

all aboard

It seems that Labour have decided today is the day to start the process for trigger ballots... MPs being asked to confirm if they intend to stand again, with a deadline of July 8.

— Jessica Elgot (@jessicaelgot) June 24, 2019

dunty declared Dr Liam Fox "one of the adults in the room" yesterday. he is beyond a joke.

NEW: Chief Whip Julian Smith establishes a three line whip for the week of the 22nd July, as a vote of no confidence is anticipated from Labour.

A Labour source had told me earlier today that a VONC was planned for Thursday 25th July. pic.twitter.com/rjTacUUE0w

— Ben Gartside (@BenGartside) June 24, 2019

good luck uk

labour doing a bit too I see

Labour are furious about the lack of coverage of this by BBC and others today. Labour source: "You'd think it would be all over the news. No wonder Tories are in denial about racism in their party, they're getting a free pass from most of the UK media..." https://t.co/IxjHmb2bJR

— Adam Bienkov (@AdamBienkov) June 24, 2019

"Labour source" might get more coverage if they went on the record. I mean probably not, it's the BBC, but give it a try eh?

hmmm labour source gets enough traction from laura K and crew when she’s carping about the PLP meeting every week

caek makes a good point, why aren't they calling them on this in an on the record statement? I know it's bad form to call out racism now but still.

Got to have deniability in case racism makes a comeback

dunty declared Dr Liam Fox "one of the adults in the room" yesterday. he is beyond a joke.

"Things have deteriorated so far that Liam Fox is now one of the adults" was the line, in fairness.

it's still nonsense tho

i can't wait till they get so desperate for adults that grayling becomes one for saying something mildly disapproving about boris.

Have we already done a thread about adults, experts and technocrats, and why the apocalypse is maybe better than them?

Poll imo

All words for the same kind of eejit really

Bernard Jenkin on Newsnight, on no deal: "It's up to them. We'll collect millions in new tariffs if we go out with no deal. We'll be quids in. We'll be cashing in, not crashing out. The economy will grow faster in the first year after no deal."

The lack of basic economics education in our ‘leaders’ is alarming’. Where the fuck does he think the money for tarrifs on, for example, cheap danish bacon comes from?

magic money tree obv

I don't know how Bernard Jenkin qualifies as a leader but point taken. Nice campaign video for Boris by Laura Kuenssberg this evening.

Am I wrong in thinking this tactic of politicians bullying interviewers by raising their voices, talking over them and refusing to pause and listen is relatively new?

I'm sure it's always happened but it seems to be something Tory politicians are increasingly doing these days - especially with female interviewers.

i dunno

found it noteworthy how comfortable yr presenters were in behaving in exactly this manner when i had to watch the nightly brexit coverage tbh

That interview with Laura Kuenssberg was breathtaking in its vacuity. There was absolutely nothing in what Johnson was saying that could possibly fly with the EU. "We can deal with the Irish border after we exit, in the implementation period that we won't have, because the EU won't sign a deal that doesn't include provisions for the Irish border" It's like he's just flown into the country and had a quick glance at the local papers or something.

But in a weird way I think I'm cheering him on. He's so unprepared he's going to destroy the Tories.

His cut-outs have been hopeless in engaging with the media he has been avoiding, too.

Liz Truss was on tv over the weekend and was pressed on the fact that there wouldn’t be an implementation period if there was no deal to implement - her response was ‘well, the EU would say that, wouldn’t they?’.

Whats happening with this? I've not really been following it? Is he looking for an out? I've got a sinking feeling Gove is somehow going to end up PM