no, i didn't know that the June 2019 US Politics thread was nasty

being a war criminal is part of the job

Sanders has been talking a lot about it recently, calling it the MIC, saying that there are people profitting from war—like it seems legit

https://scontent.fewr1-4.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/64782698_2343772112344446_3258937483882135552_o.png.jpg?_nc_cat=1&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_oc=AQkv8qbJhokbrb1cuDIfjjZC-mqVatfQhjy6tDgDuEx1kREea_LQCzG2LbuoLhJgMSLdzi_h1WLI7H56gR-eaneM&_nc_ht=scontent.fewr1-4.fna&oh=f63ce82bfb1a83a500fbff0d453622b1&oe=5D93B81E

He seems more focused on this than in 2016

https://scontent.fewr1-4.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/64727025_2336155189772805_4172005994383015936_o.jpg?_nc_cat=104&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_oc=AQkfB7voyZ5oTl9uZH_6Jk3Ej9mmyrh-YB_met5RIf-b-Wck-e406M4WaJhlkUYUA1VlveQp0BtNH-WVsTO1vxzP&_nc_ht=scontent.fewr1-4.fna&oh=dee2541fafc42ff1116db4892a214fa7&oe=5D8327C5

_nc_cat=1&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_oc=AQkv8qbJhokbrb1cuDIfjjZC-mqVatfQhjy6tDgDuEx1kREea_LQCzG2LbuoLhJgMSLdzi_h1WLI7H56gR-eaneM&_nc_ht=scontent.fewr1-4.fna&oh=f63ce82bfb1a83a500fbff0d453622b1&oe=5D93B81E

idk about that time thing (which i of course have not read) but i think "trumpism" dies with trump. his cult of personality is, like him, so superficial that i think even his most ardent fans will rapidly lose interest in him. the values they ascribed to him may live on, but i really don't think we're going to have that many die-hards after he's gone (vs, say, reagan or obama)

agreed -- he is, in his own way, sui generis. or at least i fucking hope so

We can say Trumpism existed in the party before he catalyzed it though.

DON: Well, yeah.

“Trumpism” started long before trump, was fertilized by 9/11 demagoguing and then the tea party, ramping up with the Pailin nomination. The xenophobia and resentment ginned up by Trump is not going to go away when he finally chokes out on a Big Mac.

true but I'm struggling to think of a current personality with a big enough cult following to wear his crown of shit when he dies.

_nc_cat=104&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_oc=AQkfB7voyZ5oTl9uZH_6Jk3Ej9mmyrh-YB_met5RIf-b-Wck-e406M4WaJhlkUYUA1VlveQp0BtNH-WVsTO1vxzP&_nc_ht=scontent.fewr1-4.fna&oh=dee2541fafc42ff1116db4892a214fa7&oe=5D8327C5

xp joe rogan?

Sic what are you posting?

Trumpism is a logical extension of the energy by Tea Partiers, which itself was an extension of Newt's Contract with America, which itself was an extension of Massive Resistance, which was an extension of Jim Crow, and so on.

Right-wing antigovernment demagoguery is like a cake pan into which successive generations pour their white male grievance politics.

energy OF

They love government when it's bolstering white supremacy though.

Trumpism is a logical extension of the energy by Tea Partiers, which itself was an extension of Newt's Contract with America, which itself was an extension of Massive Resistance, which was an extension of Jim Crow, and so on.

Right-wing antigovernment demagoguery is like a cake pan into which successive generations pour their white male grievance politics.

― Velcromancer (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, June 21, 2019 3:50 PM

true, and I like your description, but the chaos, extreme recklessness, incitement of hate, breaking with all norms, and blatant venality and corruption with Trump bothers me more than anything that came before

I realize those are components of some of the previous conservative movements, but just not all together to this extent

the sad truth is donald fucking trump will never be out of our lives until he is dead. president or not, this dumb motherfucker is going to have something to say on any and every news worthy item that occurs until the day he ends up dead on a toilet and the media will cover it.

hell, we're still dealing with Reagan!

anyway, it's time for the Dems to ride toward the sound of the guns, as Pareene sez

ie banish Mayor Mushmouth Booty and his ilk

I just want to point out that for many non-white people, what you are calling “Trumpism” has been a Thing in this country for centuries

would be great to figure out how to get rid of it

I think when white ppl get to around 20% of the pop., it might do it

sic shames people who share links without analytics tracking tags removed, not sure why he polices it so much

morbs otm

really happy to see DJP's posts again

I just want to point out that for many non-white people, what you are calling “Trumpism” has been a Thing in this country for centuries

― brigadier pudding (DJP), Friday, June 21, 2019

As a non-white person myself, I have to keep reminding people that shit don't change.

not sure why he

I find it genuinely bemusing that people deliberately choose to do this

US Politics May 2019: " If I was burned at the stake, I would ask for a mirror"

note that it took less than two weeks after said election for the government to raid the private home of one journalist and then the largest news organisation in the country ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

It’s not deliberate, people just copy the links they’re given. I try to strip off tags personally so I get where you’re coming from, I just think it’s strange that you choose to address it in such a weird opaque manner

sic knows a lot of things, you shouldn’t talk ill of them!!!

copy deliberately, paste deliberately, click "submit post" deliberately

(trackers aside, message boards have existed for 25 years and etiquette has always been to not post giant walls of gibberish and to edit quotes for relevance.)

think it’s strange that you choose to address it in such a weird opaque manner

more than fair, but you have to admit it's less opaque than people deliberately choosing not to read their own posts

(xpost I know almost nothing of any value, and crutis wasn't talking ill, but it's totally reasonable to talk ill of me honestly, or be maddened by my posting. anyway how about those politics???!)

Orange Grifter said "Make Iran Great Again" today

so the Shah left descendants?

THE SHAH SLEEPS IN FRED TRUMP'S GRAVE

Here’s a state Republican Party endorsing countermajoritarian violent intimidation to achieve a political end. https://t.co/hqFanaPkf4

— southpaw (@nycsouthpaw) June 23, 2019

something really fucked up is happening in Oregon

https://www.apnews.com/1a3dd1c7c6424a4f9b71226e3d5c7e32

The Oregon governor is having state police attempt to round up AWOL Republican state senators. I had no idea that ever happened! Apparently it's not unprecedented, though.

I remember when that bunch of Democratic senators in Texas fled to Oklahoma to break quorum... it worked that time.

The escaping I've seen before, but the involvement of militias would be something new to me. But there doesn't actually seem to be any militias in that photo?

little more context:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/oregon-statehouse-shut-down-after-lawmakers-flee-team-up-with-right-wing-militias

it's a nice little potential preview of that moment when the national GOP finally officially partners up with the militias to stand their ground after an election they badly lost but blame on voter fraud from migrants (a lie they've been telling for decades now, priming the pump for the Big Lie)

https://i.imgur.com/HFSJ3PZ.jpg

... GOOD MOURNING

can't wait for the sympathetic NYT interviews with militia members

I doubt they’re even going to put it on the front page. It’s been fucked up for half a week now

I'm reading news that the Oregon GOP-tweeted photo is NOT of the capital rally?

https://thinkprogress.org/oregon-gop-tweets-out-the-wrong-photo-claiming-heavily-armed-militia-lays-siege-to-the-capitol-3e8941d5c6ea/