Seizing back control: The ILX lol brexit is how we're all gonna die thread.

Yes with the caveat that some lines of attack are more potent than others and the Brexit position is one of the potent ones. Having said that the current position is pretty unlikely to survive past party conference season anyway.

The problem seems to me that the position can’t really evolve until the new PM is in situ and advocates for a particular form of Brexit, at which point Labour says ‘no, not like THAT’ again. We don’t even know if the new PM will be able to form a government etc because of the inclinations of other Tories. I too see an over-representation of FBPEs in my timelines who just want to ride roughshod over how people voted three years ago and although I think Brexit is awful, I’m not willing to slate Corbyn for his caution.

By the by, at 10.8% would PM Johnson have the smallest majority in their constituency of any PM (since..?). Would like to think this could yet scupper him.

(I've not checked further back than Thatcher yet)

Labour and Momentum have been campaigning to unseat him since his majority narrowed to 5000 in the last GE. The Labour candidate is 25, articulate, a native of the constituency, and properly working-class. I don’t think Johnson’s keen to call an election and this might have something to do with that.

There's still a fairly widespread belief that underneath the layers of cynical opportunism, he's a competent, City-friendly, socially liberal Conservative.

Hear it all the time, though couched in different language, from Tories.

You have to play to the rubes but, underneath, he's one of us, etc.

I may regret saying this but i think a large proportion of Tory-leaning voters who think of themselves as sensible and moderate are going to reconcile themselves to the idea that their three options in the medium term are hard Brexit under a business-minded, amoral Johnson, hard Brexit under some kind of hardline High Tory 1922-Committee relic or a Corbyn government and they're going to decide that the first suits them best.

I'm betting almost all of them think Boris is putting on an act to woo the Brexiteers.

Ken Clarke said as much on Newsnight last night.

xps Correct. Either way Johnson will be unable to actually deliver said hard brexit because of the arithmetic and then what? We'll have to be back in the polls.

But this isn't a mystery -- someone, surely, is going to manage to land this point in the hustings to come. And none of the three have a strong answer to it

So if the big motivation is "avoid Corbyn", it's actually a matter of "which of these can beat undiluted communism?"

xxxp That would be Boris "Fuck Business" Johnson, then?

Johnson's non-performance so far is an indication that all isn't well. A lot of May-like vibes so far.

xp Just Boris being Boris.

xp

he is struggling a bit because he knows he can't win with unfettered boris and this muted version of him hasn't got much to say.

he's over

obviously so are we

Wtf

WATCH: Conservative MP Mark Field shoves a protestor against a pillar then grabs her by her neck and shoves her out of the Mansion House dinner after climate change protestors interrupted the banquet. pic.twitter.com/DFwZYxROfF

— Paul Brand (@PaulBrandITV) June 20, 2019

Field's first marriage to Michèle ended in divorce in 2006, with his ex-wife citing his affair with Liz Truss.[41] Elizabeth Truss is now Conservative MP for South West Norfolk since 2010 and a Cabinet member since 2014.

Looks like he's been at some of Michael Gove's magic powder.

his wife wouldn't have divorced him for publicly throttling a green protester, but fucking Liz truss was the last straw!

the longer version is far worse.

In this longer version of the video, you can see the woman apparently posing no immediate threat as she passes behind Mark Field. He marches her out of the room by her neck. I wasn’t there, so I can’t say she didn’t pose a risk, but it looks heavy handed. pic.twitter.com/zX2BtcPW4t

— Paul Brand (@PaulBrandITV) June 20, 2019

I mean EVEN worse

they practically fucking soil themselves thinking why people would even josh about throwing battery in their faces... do these cunts.

battery acid .. obv I'd just stab them with a knife.

That’s quite upsetting, really hope he faces some consequences for this.

get him charged. dick

sorry about stabby knife talk, but Fuck these arseholes - hope they all die - very slowly.

jail the cunt

Meanwhile on QT, the Tottenham audience absolutely rinsed the right wingers and a 17-year-old boy told Tim Martin to STFU.

some fierce and inspiring women on QT tonight. The young woman earlier on with the braids in a top knot as well as the crew later on.

Definitely. I wasn’t going to watch because of the guests but I saw Tottenham was the setting and N15/N17 did not disappoint.

classic Labour move.

Clear Labour will push this tomorrow. 👇🏼 https://t.co/7C6Q2gz6aO

— Laura Kuenssberg (@bbclaurak) June 20, 2019

👀 In April Mark Field sent a letter to the Met demanding “a much firmer grip” on climate change protesters - eek pic.twitter.com/BYycEMz1i6

— Ross Kempsell (@rosskempsell) June 20, 2019

we need to take the politics out of assault

Is Boris unbeatable? I think, amongst the Tory membership he is...but I would also say that he is deplorable...He has none of the answers to the serious issues in our nation. So he will be beatable, but it will be at a #GeneralElection. On @bbcquestiontime tonight... #bbcqt pic.twitter.com/BKNC03T3E7

— Laura Pidcock MP (@LauraPidcockMP) June 20, 2019

Ah but Jo Cox.

This illustrates the new political divide perfectly. Ultra liberals are appalled. Opponents of ultra-liberalism see a self-indulgent protestor breaching security and heading for the Chancellor three years after an MP was assassinated. https://t.co/chM9EpI5uQ

— Iain Martin (@iainmartin1) June 20, 2019

Clear Labour will push this tomorrow. 👇🏼 https://t.co/7C6Q2gz6aO

— Laura Kuenssberg (@bbclaurak) June 20, 2019

how inconvenient for your party Laura.

I know, she’s so scummy.

Perhaps something damning will emerge that changes things, but on the face of it to me that footage makes Mark Field look like a hero. He took the initiative when others were befuddled & he risked his life (she cld easily hv had a gun or knife) to protect others. Give him a medal

— Andrew Lilico (@andrew_lilico) June 20, 2019

makes u think

have-a-go-Lolico

outcome of brecon and radnorshire recall petition expected today. LDs widely touted to win that by election if it happens. this reduces BJ’s working majority to two

xps Wait is Laura K. bad not good? (I only occasionally see her doing stand ups outside of Westminster tbh)

awful tory party stenographer ime. even bobby pesto found a half decent line on this

Mark Field should resign. #Girls4Gove denounces all forms of violence or physical force against women. The only time a man should touch a woman is if he is touching her heart — just like @MichaelGove has done for so many of us up and down the country. Women love Michael Gove!

— Girls4Gove (@girls4gove) June 21, 2019

at least there are some sensible conservative voices out there :p

If Mark Field is charged and found guilty of assault could he hold on to his seat?

Forget twitter arguments either way, there's a video here.

you would suspect that that would also precipitate a recall petition

Iain Martin, another right wing Tory tosser from Paisley - not that you'd guess where he's from from the accent.

Foreign media outlets are also reporting on Mark Field's outburst. nagl, to say the least.