Seizing back control: The ILX lol brexit is how we're all gonna die thread.

LOL Matt, we were next to each other in a 10-person queue and I thanked them for being correct in previous predictions because it allowed me to maintain my sanity for three months, we chatted a bit more hence what I said upthread, and I left to go jump on a bus.

I find geordies way more annoying than scousers. Spend a day at flamingoland and you'll end up wanting to throw one of these drunken troglodytes into the lions enclosure.

boris johnson as soldier F

“One quick way of me assessing people is whether I would trust them with a platoon of 36 soldiers if they had to do an attack”

Tory MP and ex-Army officer Bob Stewart on why he’s backing Boris Johnson as Prime Ministerhttps://t.co/OuCiTQJuTE #VictoriaLIVE pic.twitter.com/fq66aTsZod

— Victoria Derbyshire (@VictoriaLIVE) June 20, 2019

do an asthma attack

RIP platoon of hypothetical squaddies, brutally mown down within seconds.

definitely a healthy, extremely normal lens through which to view the world

I have full confidence that Johnson would happily send other people to their deaths

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty-six_officers_problem

^ beyond all Torybranes

Bob Stewart? Only slightly a torturer.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-northern-ireland-38758940

Thought I remembered the beetroot faced assassin popping up on this thread before.

Trying to imagine Jeremy Hunt leading a platoon into battle, you know what maybe the army torturer has a point there

It's probably not the analogy I'd choose because right now this is looking like a contest to see who can trample over the minefield the fastest.

100 Days last night was suggesting boris has enough supporters that he could choose his final opponent with tactical voting.

how did we get here?

december 21 2012 iirc

Banter timeline demands that Gove is his opponent, then withdraws before the member vote.

robs us of hilarious 'johnson fucks cunt' headlines tho

members withdrawing, what

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-party-boris-johnson-farage-pact-no-deal-tory-leadership-race-a8964721.html

Boris Johnson - 157

Jeremy Hunt - 59

Michael Gove - 61

Sajid Javid - 34

rip sajid javid, heaven needed your perfectly smooth dome

the govementum is building

Sontar NA

mps are seeing the appeal of an appetising goveussy on the table!

I'm liking the emerging trend of putting Jeremy Hunt second in the rankings even when Gove has more votes.

caller otm

pic.twitter.com/MD10aL1rky

— Will Davies (@davies_will) June 20, 2019

mps are seeing the appeal of an appetising goveussy on the table!

i hate u

2 votes missing it seems, if they both went against Johnson he'd win by ONE

Parliament blocks No Deal

Johnson calls general election and comes to arrangement with Farage

millions of amped up FBPEers realise there's now an obvious and realistic way to prevent No Deal

so they vote for the Lib Dems and Johnson wins a majority

you simply love to see it

In that scenario a lot of the blame would lie with Labour for failing to anticipate that people would behave in that way, or for anticipating it and carrying on regardless.

Labour were to blame for not giving kind, rational and witty centrists like James O'Brien a reason not to vote for johnson in 2008

Imagine having to pay for this:

Hey @UKLabour - here’s some advice for free - Boris is going to be PM. He’s going to call an election. Get rid of Jeremy, come all out for Remain and you’ll beat him.

You’re welcome.

— Emma Kennedy (@EmmaKennedy) June 18, 2019

emma kennedy is one of the most credulous melts in history - she was completely taken in by louise mensch's bullshit about how the death penalty was being considered for trump and bannon iirc

I think that scenario is reasonably unlikely given that there aren't enough genuinely one-note FBPErs out there and a lot of them tend to be concentrated in areas where Labour are already strong. More to the point Johnson is toxic enough that he would bleed a lot of votes to the LibDems especially if a pact with Farage was in the offing. They might gain at the expense of the Brexit Party but would it be enough for a majority?

James O'Brien is a prick but I do think that Boris would have found those Mayoral victories tougher going if he had been up against someone other than Ken Livingstone, who was pretty toxic himself by that point.

100%

yes, ken was an abysmal character and much easier to beat than any if Labour candidate who wasn't a complete prick (i.e. not Frank Field) was running against boris - even though i have no memory of how that mayoral campaign was fought. I was really disappointed when prof D Edgerton described Ken as "one of the more interesting and intelligent characters from the 80's left" in his otherwise excellent book.

erm. not Frank Field.. that bearded shit they ran against Livingstone whose name I can't remember!

Frank Dobson

that's the one!

of course, but labour are not responsible for the centrist tendency to prioritise getting a dynamic strong leader over the welfare of their fellow citizens

The banal truth is that most of West London voted against Livingstone because he had the audacity to add them to the Congestion Charge zone.

Still amazed me how such an image-conscious lot as nu lab could pick a candidate you would avoid standing near for fear of being drenched in spittle

Re: Dobson, of course

xxp
ken probably hadn't revealed his penchant for "eccentric" historical revisionism at this point either, so maybe something to that.

https://t.co/bXPvpHGDx8 pic.twitter.com/pjq1OhVQ3k

— Socialist Dad (@shirleymush) June 20, 2019

So much Brexiter betrayal narrative boils down to "we would have our Brexit by now if people hadn't decided to behave in exactly the way everyone knew they were going to behave all along" and you see a reflection of that in some parts of the left as well. The Labour leadership know that isn't a way to prepare for an election, hence the ongoing evolution of their own policy - and the current one probably won't last beyond the party conference in any case.

I don't think that Labour will lose the next election but if they do it's likely to be primarily due to a strategic error rather than the sudden popularity of the Tories, the person in the leadership seat, or just people being dicks. (I don't think they'll win a majority either but that's a different question).

if labour insist on putting forward these scruffs people will have no choice but to vote for the destruction of the welfare state

I don't get the sense that Johnson is particularly toxic in London, tbh. There's still a fairly widespread belief that underneath the layers of cynical opportunism, he's a competent, City-friendly, socially liberal Conservative.

Labour scruffs...like Robin Corbyn?
https://youtu.be/wZsYvkTw4Rg

xp I think the socially liberal part has been torpedoed by the last three years. I couldn’t see him winning now.

i don't think baroness warsi could be persuaded to join a boris cabinet.