2020 Democratic presidential primary

Opposing busing is not quite the same as supporting segregation.

― o. nate, Wednesday, June 19, 2019 10:23 PM (one hour ago)

it's...not?

Having grown up in a neighborhood known for people chucking rocks at school buses full of black kids, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say there's not a whole lot of light between those two positions.

Jonathan Chait:

By citing segregationists, [Biden] is revealing the very reason the bipartisanship he longs for can’t return. The era of bipartisanship was built on suppressing racial conflict. The white South could only be cajoled into a coalition that supported bigger government by preventing African Americans from voting and, at times, outright denying them the benefits of government altogether. He’s invoking the most unappealing aspect of the bipartisanship era. You can argue that forging American consensus was worth the cost of suppressing racial conflict, but actually highlighting the grotesque moral costs of that era is a bizarre way to advertise it.

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/06/biden-segregationist-riff-ignorant.html

Unusually insightful take from Chait, although that last sentence is weird. How do you argue the former without highlighting the latter?

You talk a lot about the benefits and not so much about the cost?

You talk about the Marshall Plan and going to the moon - or by flipping it to include civil rights (which Biden has done in the past with the claims about marching with MLK or whatever) and hoping people are dumb enough to buy it.

Marianne Williamson: still running for President.

Marianne Williamson, one of the 20 contenders for the Democratic presidential nomination in the 2020 election, called mandatory-vaccine policies “Orwellian” at an event in New Hampshire late Wednesday. “To me, it’s no different than the abortion debate,” Williamson said of vaccinations, according to NBC News. “The U.S. government doesn’t tell any citizen, in my book, what they have to do with their body or their child.” Vaccine mandates in the United States are too “Draconian” and “Orwellian,” she said. Williamson is set to participate during night two of the Democratic debates later this month. Williamson later said in a statement to The Daily Beast: “Public safety must be carefully balanced with the right of individuals to make their own decisions. I am sorry that I made comments which sounded as though I question the validity of life-saving vaccines. That is not my feeling and I realize that I misspoke.”

LBJ always leaned across the aisle to work with segregationists by putting their peckers in his pocket.

Liberals too, for that matter.

He just liked walking around with a pocketful of peckers.

now we know where Natasha Bedingfield's inspiration came from

^^ was waiting for that one

and don't it feel good.

I read it as pretty much exactly what it says - Warren is the most unpalatable candidate aside from Bernie (to the donor class) but the donors could warm to her if she's the only alternative to Bernie.
It's also so obvious that it shouldn't be remarked upon. Of course rich people are "anybody but Bernie."

It wasn't wildly inaccurate as a summary of the Politico article he was linking.

"This is who Joe Biden is," says Ta-Nehisi Coates on Biden celebrating segregationists James Eastland and Herman Talmadge for their civility.

"When somebody tells you who they are, believe them." pic.twitter.com/f0ppdzKcH8

— Democracy Now! (@democracynow) June 20, 2019

Peter piper picked a peck or pocketful of peckers

Sorry, I should let this go:

Opposing busing is not quite the same as supporting segregation.

... but I really cant:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/11/politics/joe-biden-busing-letters-2020/index.html

Yet even before he formally declares his presidential candidacy, Biden's remarks about busing are already facing fresh scrutiny. A month ago, The Washington Post unearthed a lengthy 1975 interview Biden conducted with a Delaware newspaper, which at the time was entered into the congressional record.

"I don't feel responsible for the sins of my father and grandfather," Biden said in the interview. "I feel responsible for what the situation is today, for the sins of my own generation. And I'll be damned if I feel responsible to pay for what happened 300 years ago."

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/05/05/joe-biden-busing-problem-226791

Buckling to political pressure from his white constituents who wanted to keep things the way they were, Biden established himself as a leading Democratic opponent of busing in the Senate. Concluding that busing was a “bankrupt concept,” he found himself principally aligned with consummate civil rights opponent and GOP Senator Jesse Helms of North Carolina, who was unabashed in his commitment “to put an end to the current blight on American education that is generally referred to as ‘forced bussing.’” Biden joined conservatives and increasing numbers of liberals who were determined to limit the scope of Title VI of Civil Rights Act of 1964 and its prohibition on school segregation and to hamstring the federal government’s power to compel localities—under the threat of withholding federal funds—to desegregate their schools.

https://www.thenation.com/article/joe-biden-education-busing-opposition/

In the interview, which captured an early unfiltered Biden, today’s Democratic front-runner picked through a grab bag of anti-integration canards to make his case against busing—among them, the idea that a school where children of different races or multiple ethnicities sit in class together is doomed to be inferior. “The real problem with busing,” he said, “is that you take [white] people who aren’t racist, people who are good citizens, who believe in equal education and opportunity, and you stunt their children’s intellectual growth by busing them to an inferior school.” For him, it seems, the stunting of black children’s growth in the savagely unequal and deliberately segregated public schools I’ve been describing for years did not elicit the same sense of alarm.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/05/joe-biden-opposition-busing-1970s/
(I am including this link because it includes the argument "black people in Boston didn't want busing, they wanted to build up their own schools for their 'homies'", which should tell you a good deal about the person making it)

thank you for the roundup DJP

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could you encapsulate the hundreds of years of systematic depersonalization better than that omission and subsequent editorial interjection??

I'd like to point out all I did to generate that roundup was type "why did biden oppose busing" into Google and then post 4 articles off the first page of search results; it's not like we are talking about information that requires serious research skills to find and cross-reference.

So this faux-naive "maybe this wasn't the nefarious thing it is being made out to be with these paraphrases and summaries" bullshit can fuck right off along with the self-pitying "why is everyone piling on me for bending over so far backwards to grant benefit of the doubt that I'm stepping on my eyebrows" grandstanding

i experienced the horrors of forced bussing for one long year at Longfellow School in Cambridge. it so thoroughly deranged me psychologically that when i returned to my almost-all-white school in Tennessee i wrote my parents a two-page essay about why they should let me go back to Cambridge on my own to attend school there instead.

DJP and Tracer may well appreciate that the neighborhood I was referring to above was Charlestown, Massachusetts

Ha, Charlestown is one of the cornerstones of Husock's thesis (the NRO piece I linked) that busing was bad, largely because... it ruined high school rivalries and made racists look racist.

(His entire argument is basically "I thought people opposed to busing were racist but then I met and liked some of them, so obviously they objected for another reason" only he doesn't ever get around to stating another reason)

I was too young to witness the actual riots, but I can say with 100% certainty those people in Charlestown were absolutely racists.

klobuchar blows

Sanders and Gravel were the only ones to answer yes to "allowing at least some incarcerated people to vote" https://t.co/2nDDcpCIKx pic.twitter.com/vr8scMgx9L

— roq (@roqchams) June 21, 2019

(note that some major candidates (harris, biden) are missing from that questionnaire)

she’s like Beto or Coldplay in that you start out finding her charming (kavanaugh zings! “yellow”!) and she becomes increasingly irritating the more she shows you who she is.

i understand that some of these answers must have been more complex than a yes/no binary, and possibly miscategorized (delaney, for example, is listed as a no on legalizing marijuana at state/federal levels, but that's because "suggested that he supported legalization of marijuana at the federal level but said that states should be able to make their own decision")

but how the hell do get asked about allowing incarcerated people to receive Pell Grants and not just answer with an unambiguous YES?

i hope she gets minnesota lice

from eating salad with a comb

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/06/trumps-white-house-isnt-ready-impeachment/592189/

Trump is following the Democratic race closely. One White House official said that he likes to make fun of South Bend, Indiana, Mayor Pete Buttigieg’s last name, pronouncing it Boot-edge-edge-edge.

he's history's greatest monster!

lol

Candidate comfort food:

Warren: Chips and guacamole
Harris: Fries
Gabbard: Vegan cupcakes
Buttigieg: Beef jerky
Gillibrand: Whiskey
Castro: Iced tea
Booker: Veggies
Klobuchar: Baked Potato
Williamson: “I have no comfort food”

(@NYtimes) pic.twitter.com/vI9EISTo7h

— Behind 2020 (@Behind2020) June 20, 2019

What kind of whiskey is she eating there?

And every single thing about Tulsi Gabbard is so wrong, I'm worried it might make her right.

veggie whiskey

Gotta get that Iowa vote.

https://i.imgur.com/wbJ2wq7.png

Have people read that New York magazine article about Gabbard’s relationship with that Hawaiian religious community? It’s a trip.

I respect Gillibrand's stepping out of the box but I don't appreciate Castro galloping on her coattails with a nonsensical escalation

xp: I don't think I read that article but I've read enough about it elsewhere (as well as her original political incarnation) for me to be a 100% no on Gabbard, to the point where if she magically became the nomination, I would vote third-party or write-in.

Booker: unfit to lead

Have people read that New York magazine article about Gabbard’s relationship with that Hawaiian religious community? It’s a trip.

― o. nate, Friday, June 21, 2019 8:39 AM (fifty-nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah, this was a wild piece. never ceases to amaze me the kind of thoroughly mediocre douchebags that wind up as cult leaders commanding a sizable following. like her whole family basically just worships some dude named Chris who surfs and is apparently objectively a dumb asshole.

what’s wrong with surfing?

wasn't trying to surf-shame. no judging of the pursuits of religious leaders. i'll keep my anti-carpenter hot takes to myself.

that's an interesting article (the new york mag one). Gabbard is an enigma certainly. I think she has her positive qualities but they're far overshadowed by her negative ones.

on a different topic: I'm in an FB group started by a friend of mine that has been utterly taken over by one pot-head Bernie Bro. I'd been relatively shielded from these types in the last election and heard more about them than experienced them myself. But he's exhausting and awful.

I wonder if maybe the media is playing a role in stoking the Bernie/Warren flames

Bernie: “I think that there are a certain number of people who would like to see a woman elected, and I understand that.”

Also Bernie: ”Elizabeth is a friend of mine. I think she’s running a good campaign.”

Vanity Fair headline:https://t.co/epdoxTS9V4

— Marissa D. Barrera🏳️‍🌈 (@mdb2) June 21, 2019

Saw that and ...

Sanders, throwing down the gauntlet, was recently quoted as saying, 'Elizabeth...I think she's...a...paign.'