2020 Democratic presidential primary

Is there a verbatim transcript there? I haven't been able to find it.

Citing James Clyburn's defense of Biden is better than demanding a transcript, come the fuck on.

If I'm going to damn someone for an insensitive remark I'd like to know the full context of exactly what was being said. I've seen too many cases of things being taken out of context to make someone look bad.

part of what's lame about Biden's Eastland example is it doesn't even exemplify "bipartisanship." Dude was in the same party. and collaborating with a segregationist on an infrastructure bill, let's say, would be one thing, but the only thing i've heard of them collaborating on is...support for segregation!

Opposing busing is not quite the same as supporting segregation.

Anyway I'm starting to feel like the only Christian in the Colosseum here. Good night all!

we just wanna talk

i'm into everyone going after biden

Cory Booker on CNN called it "insulting'' that Biden asked him to apologize and didn't acknowledge anything wrong in what he said about segregationists. "This should not be a lesson that someone running for president of the US should have to be given.”
https://t.co/IuzNowQGlq

— Janet Hook (@hookjan) June 20, 2019

lol

Another Biden campaign source throwing shade at the boss:
"there’s only so much we can do. This is his decision." story from @MarcACaputo https://t.co/B8ZhA2hpTd

— Alex Thompson (@AlxThomp) June 20, 2019

praying this is his "please clap" moment, get this fool out of the paint forever

this feels more like the beginning of the end, not the excruciating and humiliating conclusion

I'm trying to inoculate myself against all of this furor.

I'm telling myself I don't care

its ok to care abt this shit is my opinion

Biden’s pithy summary of Bidenism.

“You beat them. Without changing the system.” pic.twitter.com/a9iPjoPf4f

— Anand Giridharadas (@AnandWrites) June 20, 2019

He's so bad it's getting awkward to watch, compounded by the lurking fear that he'll still squeak through.

I know only nerds like us care but it’s also insane how every other candidate is answering all these extensive questionnaires from nyt and wapo and Biden’s just like thanks but nah. He really is acting like he doesn’t even have to bother with this primary, like it’s beneath him.

The arrogance would be almost impressive if he wasn’t such a dumb pud.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/449451-sanders-denies-tweet-about-corporate-democrats-was-about-warren

T/F?

i read it as a biden callout but w/e

I read it as pretty much exactly what it says - Warren is the most unpalatable candidate aside from Bernie (to the donor class) but the donors could warm to her if she's the only alternative to Bernie.
It's also so obvious that it shouldn't be remarked upon. Of course rich people are "anybody but Bernie."

I've gotten to the point where I don't care too much, I just want to support whoever is the democratic nominee

Cool story.

Opposing busing is not quite the same as supporting segregation.

― o. nate, Wednesday, June 19, 2019 10:23 PM (one hour ago)

it's...not?

Having grown up in a neighborhood known for people chucking rocks at school buses full of black kids, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say there's not a whole lot of light between those two positions.

Jonathan Chait:

By citing segregationists, [Biden] is revealing the very reason the bipartisanship he longs for can’t return. The era of bipartisanship was built on suppressing racial conflict. The white South could only be cajoled into a coalition that supported bigger government by preventing African Americans from voting and, at times, outright denying them the benefits of government altogether. He’s invoking the most unappealing aspect of the bipartisanship era. You can argue that forging American consensus was worth the cost of suppressing racial conflict, but actually highlighting the grotesque moral costs of that era is a bizarre way to advertise it.

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/06/biden-segregationist-riff-ignorant.html

Unusually insightful take from Chait, although that last sentence is weird. How do you argue the former without highlighting the latter?

You talk a lot about the benefits and not so much about the cost?

You talk about the Marshall Plan and going to the moon - or by flipping it to include civil rights (which Biden has done in the past with the claims about marching with MLK or whatever) and hoping people are dumb enough to buy it.

Marianne Williamson: still running for President.

Marianne Williamson, one of the 20 contenders for the Democratic presidential nomination in the 2020 election, called mandatory-vaccine policies “Orwellian” at an event in New Hampshire late Wednesday. “To me, it’s no different than the abortion debate,” Williamson said of vaccinations, according to NBC News. “The U.S. government doesn’t tell any citizen, in my book, what they have to do with their body or their child.” Vaccine mandates in the United States are too “Draconian” and “Orwellian,” she said. Williamson is set to participate during night two of the Democratic debates later this month. Williamson later said in a statement to The Daily Beast: “Public safety must be carefully balanced with the right of individuals to make their own decisions. I am sorry that I made comments which sounded as though I question the validity of life-saving vaccines. That is not my feeling and I realize that I misspoke.”

LBJ always leaned across the aisle to work with segregationists by putting their peckers in his pocket.

Liberals too, for that matter.

He just liked walking around with a pocketful of peckers.

now we know where Natasha Bedingfield's inspiration came from

^^ was waiting for that one

and don't it feel good.

I read it as pretty much exactly what it says - Warren is the most unpalatable candidate aside from Bernie (to the donor class) but the donors could warm to her if she's the only alternative to Bernie.
It's also so obvious that it shouldn't be remarked upon. Of course rich people are "anybody but Bernie."

It wasn't wildly inaccurate as a summary of the Politico article he was linking.

"This is who Joe Biden is," says Ta-Nehisi Coates on Biden celebrating segregationists James Eastland and Herman Talmadge for their civility.

"When somebody tells you who they are, believe them." pic.twitter.com/f0ppdzKcH8

— Democracy Now! (@democracynow) June 20, 2019

Peter piper picked a peck or pocketful of peckers

Sorry, I should let this go:

Opposing busing is not quite the same as supporting segregation.

... but I really cant:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/11/politics/joe-biden-busing-letters-2020/index.html

Yet even before he formally declares his presidential candidacy, Biden's remarks about busing are already facing fresh scrutiny. A month ago, The Washington Post unearthed a lengthy 1975 interview Biden conducted with a Delaware newspaper, which at the time was entered into the congressional record.

"I don't feel responsible for the sins of my father and grandfather," Biden said in the interview. "I feel responsible for what the situation is today, for the sins of my own generation. And I'll be damned if I feel responsible to pay for what happened 300 years ago."

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/05/05/joe-biden-busing-problem-226791

Buckling to political pressure from his white constituents who wanted to keep things the way they were, Biden established himself as a leading Democratic opponent of busing in the Senate. Concluding that busing was a “bankrupt concept,” he found himself principally aligned with consummate civil rights opponent and GOP Senator Jesse Helms of North Carolina, who was unabashed in his commitment “to put an end to the current blight on American education that is generally referred to as ‘forced bussing.’” Biden joined conservatives and increasing numbers of liberals who were determined to limit the scope of Title VI of Civil Rights Act of 1964 and its prohibition on school segregation and to hamstring the federal government’s power to compel localities—under the threat of withholding federal funds—to desegregate their schools.

https://www.thenation.com/article/joe-biden-education-busing-opposition/

In the interview, which captured an early unfiltered Biden, today’s Democratic front-runner picked through a grab bag of anti-integration canards to make his case against busing—among them, the idea that a school where children of different races or multiple ethnicities sit in class together is doomed to be inferior. “The real problem with busing,” he said, “is that you take [white] people who aren’t racist, people who are good citizens, who believe in equal education and opportunity, and you stunt their children’s intellectual growth by busing them to an inferior school.” For him, it seems, the stunting of black children’s growth in the savagely unequal and deliberately segregated public schools I’ve been describing for years did not elicit the same sense of alarm.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/05/joe-biden-opposition-busing-1970s/
(I am including this link because it includes the argument "black people in Boston didn't want busing, they wanted to build up their own schools for their 'homies'", which should tell you a good deal about the person making it)

thank you for the roundup DJP

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could you encapsulate the hundreds of years of systematic depersonalization better than that omission and subsequent editorial interjection??

I'd like to point out all I did to generate that roundup was type "why did biden oppose busing" into Google and then post 4 articles off the first page of search results; it's not like we are talking about information that requires serious research skills to find and cross-reference.

So this faux-naive "maybe this wasn't the nefarious thing it is being made out to be with these paraphrases and summaries" bullshit can fuck right off along with the self-pitying "why is everyone piling on me for bending over so far backwards to grant benefit of the doubt that I'm stepping on my eyebrows" grandstanding

i experienced the horrors of forced bussing for one long year at Longfellow School in Cambridge. it so thoroughly deranged me psychologically that when i returned to my almost-all-white school in Tennessee i wrote my parents a two-page essay about why they should let me go back to Cambridge on my own to attend school there instead.

DJP and Tracer may well appreciate that the neighborhood I was referring to above was Charlestown, Massachusetts

Ha, Charlestown is one of the cornerstones of Husock's thesis (the NRO piece I linked) that busing was bad, largely because... it ruined high school rivalries and made racists look racist.

(His entire argument is basically "I thought people opposed to busing were racist but then I met and liked some of them, so obviously they objected for another reason" only he doesn't ever get around to stating another reason)

I was too young to witness the actual riots, but I can say with 100% certainty those people in Charlestown were absolutely racists.

klobuchar blows

Sanders and Gravel were the only ones to answer yes to "allowing at least some incarcerated people to vote" https://t.co/2nDDcpCIKx pic.twitter.com/vr8scMgx9L

— roq (@roqchams) June 21, 2019