Seizing back control: The ILX lol brexit is how we're all gonna die thread.

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he's ready

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xxpost: is he their driver?

CAC (relevant emoji optional) is run by some wet Tory called James Bickerton.

I was never totally sold on the idea that Brexit was particularly about immigration, I've always thought it more to do with anti-brussels they want to straighten our bananas rhetoric, but as time has gone on even that seems to have fallen away now to almost pure tautology, people want it because they want it. Nihilistic identarianism, resentment at being told what to do.

That poll showing members are prepared to accept pretty much anything as long as they get Brexit, I think theres something deeper there, I think thats not so much about accepting those destructions, but choreographing the willingness to go hard for the cause. ride or die, don't mess with us

I'm not sure they want Brexit at all, I think they want a struggle for it in perpetuity, the more destruction along the way the better

I don't read lots into that poll, it's a weird set of questions that provokes a funny, clickbaity outcome

Yeah, agreed - I don't either - which is where the choreographing comes in, respondents as complicit but gives them opportunity to show warrior credentials

it's just the other side of the number of centre left anti-corbyn remainers who wld be prepared to maintain vast inequality and take no serious step to prevent the immiseration of the vulnerable in exchange for electing a smartly dressed professional who promises they'll stop brexit

Sometimes people will say any old shit to annoying YouGov dickhead on doorstep, especially when the questions have gone on much longer than expected, and their flattery techniques aren't cutting it.

there's always been a lot of ppl who resent the SNP and the scottish independence movement and a lot of apathy abt northern ireland, this survey doesn't seem like a tremendous shock

those people (conservative members) just resent scots (“
(who they view as “subsidy junkies”) imo

Oh I'm entirely sure they believe what they're saying, post-Thatcher Conservatism is first and foremost defined by a willingness to inflict pain and a belief that if it isn't hurting it isn't working.

We're also talking about a very cosseted high-income group in an age bracket who will be the last to have anything taken away from them. Even then, people have a tendency to handwave away things in theory and then furiously rage against the consequences in practice, which is exactly what will happen with Brexit.

xp i think a lot of tories hate the SNP and the scottish independence movement for spoiling their romantic ideal of scotland

It's a weird set of questions in that, in normal circumstances, the results would be other than they were - "I would rather Scotland left the United Kingdom rather than Brexit not take place" is an unclear but not arcane concept.

The distinction between "okay if the Conservative Party is destroyed" and "not okay if Jeremy Corbyn gets in" would seem to damage the idea that it's just woad-daubing.

they hate the SNP because they’re uppity and scots should be grateful they get to suck on the teet of rUK. majority of conservative members give no regard to anywhere north of the home counties imho

I’m probably just another jocko w a chip on my shoulder tho

Ran into [beloved national broadcaster] getting coffee this morning and they still reckon Brexit is in the so not gonna happen category regardless of who the PM is.

Does their conversation always turn to Brexit in the time it takes to get coffee?

for reference

https://i.imgur.com/ZTPrQmg.jpg

It's that Midlands & Wales section that's the crux of the problem, specifically the Midlands. I'd guess that support is reasonably even distributed there as well, win the Midlands and you win the election but it's hard to win because it's so divided.

(English) Tories do not have a romantic view of Scotland. Not sure when they ever did - when Victoria was on the throne?

that con members poll is just what you'd expect from obscure shires nutsos who's window to the world is the mail and they are waiting to die, or exUkip entryists .. same. I'm more worried about daft Labour voters who'd reflexively never vote tory, now saying they'd vote for a right wing tory pressure group instead.

I bet tory party members have more tartan kitsch in their homes than labour party members

Multiple xps to Matt

This vox pop. This fucking vox pop. pic.twitter.com/VKcy9QBObX

— Leonardo Carella (@leonardocarella) June 18, 2019

(xp) I've got no idea, the romantics in this scenario have always been Scottish Tories, imagining their English counterparts ever gave a fuck about them or the Union.

scottishness isn't anathema to tories - it's an integral part of british imperial identity. like the royals, lots of tories love their scottish holidays, harris tweeds, half-imagined distant scottish ancestry, and tartan teddies.

Scottishness good, Scots bad or at best inapplicable.

not sure shire or midlands tories ascribe much value to that biscuit tin nonsense but you may be right.

whats the old saying? - 'the english like the irish but don't respect them, respect the scottish but don't like them, and neither like nor respect the welsh'

same tbh

there is only so far you can stretch credibility with this pretense of a union!

Hierarchy of English regional dislike:

1. Londoners
2. People in a broadly similar town 20 miles away
3. Scots

mood

The gap between #2 and #3 is huge by the way. I doubt yr average provincial Englisher spends much time thinking about Scotland at all, which is why that poll is largely believable to me.

if there's one thing the discourse has been lacking it's londoners fantasizing aloud about the thoughts of the 'average provincial Englisher'

I wld say nearly everyone hates scousers more than scots tho

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LOL Matt, we were next to each other in a 10-person queue and I thanked them for being correct in previous predictions because it allowed me to maintain my sanity for three months, we chatted a bit more hence what I said upthread, and I left to go jump on a bus.

I find geordies way more annoying than scousers. Spend a day at flamingoland and you'll end up wanting to throw one of these drunken troglodytes into the lions enclosure.

boris johnson as soldier F

“One quick way of me assessing people is whether I would trust them with a platoon of 36 soldiers if they had to do an attack”

Tory MP and ex-Army officer Bob Stewart on why he’s backing Boris Johnson as Prime Ministerhttps://t.co/OuCiTQJuTE #VictoriaLIVE pic.twitter.com/fq66aTsZod

— Victoria Derbyshire (@VictoriaLIVE) June 20, 2019

do an asthma attack

RIP platoon of hypothetical squaddies, brutally mown down within seconds.

definitely a healthy, extremely normal lens through which to view the world

I have full confidence that Johnson would happily send other people to their deaths

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty-six_officers_problem

^ beyond all Torybranes

Bob Stewart? Only slightly a torturer.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-northern-ireland-38758940

Thought I remembered the beetroot faced assassin popping up on this thread before.

Trying to imagine Jeremy Hunt leading a platoon into battle, you know what maybe the army torturer has a point there

It's probably not the analogy I'd choose because right now this is looking like a contest to see who can trample over the minefield the fastest.

100 Days last night was suggesting boris has enough supporters that he could choose his final opponent with tactical voting.

how did we get here?