2020 Democratic presidential primary

ah those New York instincts!

NYT: Where you would you go on your first international trip as president?
Gillibrand: Israel.
Hickenlooper, Swalwell, Klobuchar: Our NATO allies.

— Jeffrey St. Clair (@JSCCounterPunch) June 19, 2019

I think there’s a difference between acknowledging that in politics you sometimes have to work with people who have views you strongly disagree with and dog-whistling to racists.

Biden going on about how the old racist senator "never called me boy, he always called me son," doesn't have at least a little bit of pitch to it?

biden's whole approach is going after white trump voters who voted for obama in 08

Technocratic solutions are good actually imo

― don't mock my smock or i'll clean your clock (silby), Wednesday, June 19, 2019 11:43 AM (thirty-eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

name some

― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, June 19, 2019 11:46 AM (thirty-five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the ACA is a million miles from where it should be, but it's also a million miles better than what we had before.

Biden going on about how the old racist senator "never called me boy, he always called me son," doesn't have at least a little bit of pitch to it?

this about a billion times

I'm on an ACA plan, and along with underemployment it's pushing me to the brink. It's not a technocratic solution, it's a gift to insurance companies.

I think the way I’ve seen people use it on twitter, they’re talking about politicians who favor policies like “health savings accounts” instead of single-payer, but idk if that’s really the correct way to apply the term, which afaik means “policy designed by experts and not elected reps”

― old cloud yells at man (voodoo chili), Wednesday, June 19, 2019 10:53 AM (forty-four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is correct.

the problem with technocratic solutions are the technocrats' proximity to monied power, not bc of their specialized knowledge of law and policy (although to get the latter, they have to make nice to the former in many cases). im sympathetic to critiques of technocratic policymaking, but i fear that its used haphazardly against policies with, like, details.

Wow, Biden really hated raves:

Wow Joe Biden really doesn’t like EDM pic.twitter.com/hTthSCQYlg

— Nando (@nandorvila) June 19, 2019

found yr candidate, this guy fucks

http://i65.tinypic.com/3013ozn.gif

here we go, here we fucken go

After slipping in the polls, Bernie is now going after Warren https://t.co/iVGooG37lk

— Drew Savicki (@SenhorRaposa) June 19, 2019

I’m still 50/50 between them

gotta see the quoted tweet from the sanders post:

The cat is out of the bag. The corporate wing of the Democratic Party is publicly "anybody but Bernie." They know our progressive agenda of Medicare for All, breaking up big banks, taking on drug companies and raising wages is the real threat to the billionaire class. https://t.co/zimci7JRO6

— Bernie Sanders (@BernieSanders) June 19, 2019

fuck this shit

It's called politics. They have the same base, why wouldn't they "go after" each other, ultimately?

i realize this is how primaries work thanks morbs

more importantly i shouldn't read tweets

Luckily Trump isn't part of the Democrats' corporate wing, so they'll have that option in the main.

that is....not "going after" warren ffs. get a grip everyone

osita on warren/bernie btw: https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/elizabeth-warren-bernie-sanders-and-two-paths-for-the-american-left

The Democratic primary campaigns have been remarkably policy-driven so far. As a consequence, there has been a little less talk about the matters that have often dominated Presidential politics, or at least coverage of Presidential politics—character, temperament, and personal history. These aspects of a candidate’s identity can be rendered superficially, but they can also be illuminating. An election sends a person, not a platform, to the White House. And politicians are ultimately more than the promises they make. One cannot understand how candidates might behave in office—how they might respond to unexpected situations or thorny problems, how hard they might push for what and why—without some sense of the passions that they carry in their hearts.

All that said, those who would like to see a President who has spent much of his life outside of and at odds with conventional politics, and who care deeply about advancing socialism in the United States—or, at least, are beginning to doubt that we can continue to patch and repatch capitalism into sufficiency—have ample reason to support Bernie Sanders, a candidate who was once a dedicated proponent of true socialism, even if he says little about it now. If you are opposed to or ambivalent about socialism or would prefer a President from a technocratic or academic background or a woman in the White House, you might give some thought to supporting Elizabeth Warren, a candidate with a deep and righteous conviction that the wrongs of the current economic system can be righted.

seems like a pretty fair breakdown to me

osita on warren/bernie btw: https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/elizabeth-warren-bernie-sanders-and-two-paths-for-the-american-left

― k3vin k., Wednesday, June 19, 2019

Good read, thanks. I posted an Osita tweet uptread as a related note.

Bill de Blasio: still running for President.

It’s 2019 & @JoeBiden is longing for the good old days of “civility” typified by James Eastland. Eastland thought my multiracial family should be illegal & that whites were entitled to “the pursuit of dead n*ggers." (1/2) pic.twitter.com/yoOOkpaTX2

— Bill de Blasio (@BilldeBlasio) June 19, 2019

This whole thread is worth reading, albeit ugly as hell.

This is Biden's Mississippi "civility" pal Sen. Eastland at work, via LATimes obit:https://t.co/CXiMMiUho4 pic.twitter.com/odJq1QYPT5

— Tim Dickinson (@7im) June 19, 2019

"That was another time... and I am proposing we go back there." - Joe Biden

His rapid transformation from America's Uncle to America's Uncle would be fascinating to watch if I were in another country.

djp otm times 2

My fear of Biden's candidacy surviving to the convention really has melted to almost nothing in the last 2 weeks. He may not make it to Groundhog Day.

fingers crossed

his numbers have steadied but they are p low for a "frontrunner" and i cant see them going up rn. but then again i thought trump would lose badly so the fuck do i know.

well, they're low too because 57 other candidates are running

ha true

his numbers 7 months before any voting don't mean much

don't fuck up, Iowa

https://www.cnbc.com/video/2015/06/12/jeb-bush-likely-gop-nominee-cfo-survey.html

https://christophermacneil.blogspot.com/2015/06/june-8-2015-gop-front-runner-scott.html

love a good jeb! throwback

sorry, I should stay out of this thread

well, they're low too because 57 other candidates are running

One from each American state.

No, you won't. https://t.co/x8E7Mlriue

— Cory Booker (@CoryBooker) June 19, 2019

I'm not suggesting that anyone support Cory Booker, but well done.

well she's definitely not gonna be voting for Cory Booker

so uhh is this biden saying "cory should apologize to me" gonna be a thing or is biden just gonna keep on trucking?

Lots of people willfully misreading Biden's comments. He's not praising Eastland for being especially civil, he's saying it was a time when there was a norm of civility in the Senate that even people like Eastland adhered to.

dude

I mean the whole point of the anecdote was to give an extreme case of someone whose politics Biden disagreed with.

right and it makes him look like a fuckin sucker, fuck getting along with racists

He's offering Democrats a clear choice. Those who prefer that their elected representative refuse to work alongside those who hold the wrong views, even on areas where there may be mutual agreement, shouldn't vote for him.

His rapid transformation from America's Uncle to America's Uncle would be fascinating to watch if I were in another country.

― brigadier pudding (DJP), Wednesday, June 19, 2019 3:25 PM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

kudos

More Biden news: Mark Putnam, cinematic Dem admaker who signed on early, splits with ex-VP’s campaign

“I wish the vice president well,” Mr. Putnam said.https://t.co/Qkdhuf894c

— Alex Burns (@alexburnsNYT) June 20, 2019

He's offering Democrats a clear choice. Those who prefer that their elected representative refuse to work alongside those who hold the wrong views, even on areas where there may be mutual agreement, shouldn't vote for him.

What were some of the things they worked on and 'got done' together in civility, I wonder? CNN mentions one:

Biden in the 1970s was a staunch opponent of busing to desegregate schools; letters from the period show how he sought and received the support of Eastland, who was then the powerful chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee. Eastland repeatedly said he viewed black Americans as belonging to an "inferior race" and worried that desegregation would "mongrelize" white America.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/19/politics/joe-biden-senate-segregationists-civility/index.html

"He never called me 'boy,' he only called me 'Son,'" is like a Tom T. Hall lyric gone terribly, terribly wrong.

He’s like Lyndon Johnson gone horribly wrong at the moment.

"He never called me 'boy,' he only called me 'Son,'" is like a Tom T. Hall lyric gone terribly, terribly wrong.

I agree that particularly line is borderline insensitive, and a timely reminder that Biden didn't get his reputation for being gaffe-prone for nothing, but I think his overall point was valid. Apparently there were some Republicans (like Al D'Amato) at the fundraiser so perhaps that's why Biden was thinking about working across the aisle, and he's been known to use the example of working with segregationists to illustrate that point.