Seizing back control: The ILX lol brexit is how we're all gonna die thread.

*bows*

okay that's amazing

Yes, it is.

OK, seeing as the false argument "Labour needs Leave seats therefore Labour needs Leave votes" is now one getting presented in Shadow Cabinet, let's have yet another go at highlighting the problems with it 1/? https://t.co/pybcN53hg5

— Rob Ford (@robfordmancs) June 19, 2019

Lol can't wait for John Mann to turn around his abstentions on a "the model has changed and it's telling me I won't lose my seat" reason.

leaked cabinet briefing seemed level headed - not reading a robfordmancs thread sorry AF.

genuinely not sure what labour should do - if anything at this point, until a new tory leader is installed. no easy choices and I am particularly worried that a pivot to hard remain increases the risks of no deal

rfm has book eater energy

Words are your friend!

Eat your words but don’t go hungry!

These Labour MPs from leave areas are really gonna listen to these big words:

This is the full letter from ⁦@UKLabour⁩ MPs in leave areas to ⁦@jeremycorbyn⁩ opposing a decisive shift to a referendum and remain pic.twitter.com/JI66YFXbiM

— iain watson (@iainjwatson) June 19, 2019

Jarvis, Kinnock, Mann... I think Labour could do with them losing their seats tbh

Jim Fitzpatrick is the MP for Poplar, which voted remain!

Maybe he's just really xenophobic

labour must command the poplar vote

Sky Sources say the Government will delay the introduction of a porn age verification scheme which was due to come into force next month

— Sky News Breaking (@SkyNewsBreak) June 19, 2019

Not if Damian Green has anything to do with it.

The Campaign Against Corbynism is now live! We're a new group working to highlight the dangers of a Jeremy Corbyn led Government and the ideology he represents. Website here: https://t.co/LDdJgkDSgW

Very grateful for any follows and RTs to get the message out.

— Campaign Against Corbynism (@OpposeCorbynism) June 19, 2019

https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1141388193800917003/fo5uDymx?format=jpg&name=600x314

Corbynista swans committing to violent class war in Cambridge could be one of the dangers they highlight!

Lol my phone won't log onto that site

The first follows on that account are incredible, including Zac Goldsmith’s racist brother.

xp
this is the asbo swan link that pic is from

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/shortcuts/2019/jun/19/is-asbaby-the-swan-the-terror-of-cambridge-punters-the-grandson-of-mr-asbo?CMP=share_btn_tw

This isn’t a campaign against the left or socialism in general. We aim to unite people from across the political spectrum against the possibility of a Corbyn premiership, which we fear could undermine basic liberal-democratic values.

Just some concerned citizens, no affiliations to the oligarchy whatsoever

These mental fuckers are dreaming of going full Very British Coup aren't they?

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he's ready

🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨THE SEUMAS MILNE WANKING LIKE IS BACK🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨

https://i.postimg.cc/QdQF9L2B/A6-DF3638-4-C07-4-B41-8843-1-ABD166-C6-E21.jpg

xxpost: is he their driver?

CAC (relevant emoji optional) is run by some wet Tory called James Bickerton.

I was never totally sold on the idea that Brexit was particularly about immigration, I've always thought it more to do with anti-brussels they want to straighten our bananas rhetoric, but as time has gone on even that seems to have fallen away now to almost pure tautology, people want it because they want it. Nihilistic identarianism, resentment at being told what to do.

That poll showing members are prepared to accept pretty much anything as long as they get Brexit, I think theres something deeper there, I think thats not so much about accepting those destructions, but choreographing the willingness to go hard for the cause. ride or die, don't mess with us

I'm not sure they want Brexit at all, I think they want a struggle for it in perpetuity, the more destruction along the way the better

I don't read lots into that poll, it's a weird set of questions that provokes a funny, clickbaity outcome

Yeah, agreed - I don't either - which is where the choreographing comes in, respondents as complicit but gives them opportunity to show warrior credentials

it's just the other side of the number of centre left anti-corbyn remainers who wld be prepared to maintain vast inequality and take no serious step to prevent the immiseration of the vulnerable in exchange for electing a smartly dressed professional who promises they'll stop brexit

Sometimes people will say any old shit to annoying YouGov dickhead on doorstep, especially when the questions have gone on much longer than expected, and their flattery techniques aren't cutting it.

there's always been a lot of ppl who resent the SNP and the scottish independence movement and a lot of apathy abt northern ireland, this survey doesn't seem like a tremendous shock

those people (conservative members) just resent scots (“
(who they view as “subsidy junkies”) imo

Oh I'm entirely sure they believe what they're saying, post-Thatcher Conservatism is first and foremost defined by a willingness to inflict pain and a belief that if it isn't hurting it isn't working.

We're also talking about a very cosseted high-income group in an age bracket who will be the last to have anything taken away from them. Even then, people have a tendency to handwave away things in theory and then furiously rage against the consequences in practice, which is exactly what will happen with Brexit.

xp i think a lot of tories hate the SNP and the scottish independence movement for spoiling their romantic ideal of scotland

It's a weird set of questions in that, in normal circumstances, the results would be other than they were - "I would rather Scotland left the United Kingdom rather than Brexit not take place" is an unclear but not arcane concept.

The distinction between "okay if the Conservative Party is destroyed" and "not okay if Jeremy Corbyn gets in" would seem to damage the idea that it's just woad-daubing.

they hate the SNP because they’re uppity and scots should be grateful they get to suck on the teet of rUK. majority of conservative members give no regard to anywhere north of the home counties imho

I’m probably just another jocko w a chip on my shoulder tho

Ran into [beloved national broadcaster] getting coffee this morning and they still reckon Brexit is in the so not gonna happen category regardless of who the PM is.

Does their conversation always turn to Brexit in the time it takes to get coffee?

for reference

https://i.imgur.com/ZTPrQmg.jpg

It's that Midlands & Wales section that's the crux of the problem, specifically the Midlands. I'd guess that support is reasonably even distributed there as well, win the Midlands and you win the election but it's hard to win because it's so divided.

(English) Tories do not have a romantic view of Scotland. Not sure when they ever did - when Victoria was on the throne?

that con members poll is just what you'd expect from obscure shires nutsos who's window to the world is the mail and they are waiting to die, or exUkip entryists .. same. I'm more worried about daft Labour voters who'd reflexively never vote tory, now saying they'd vote for a right wing tory pressure group instead.

I bet tory party members have more tartan kitsch in their homes than labour party members

Multiple xps to Matt

This vox pop. This fucking vox pop. pic.twitter.com/VKcy9QBObX

— Leonardo Carella (@leonardocarella) June 18, 2019

(xp) I've got no idea, the romantics in this scenario have always been Scottish Tories, imagining their English counterparts ever gave a fuck about them or the Union.

scottishness isn't anathema to tories - it's an integral part of british imperial identity. like the royals, lots of tories love their scottish holidays, harris tweeds, half-imagined distant scottish ancestry, and tartan teddies.