2020 Democratic presidential primary

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/06/24/can-elizabeth-warren-win-it-all

I like that Bernie is kind of a simple person with strong convictions stretching back half a century. If I wanted a complicated and nuanced character who evolved over time I’d read a novel.

― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, June 18, 2019

man, you would've hated FDR!

I like Warren because she actually seems to blend vision and boldness with pragmatism and, gasp, even some technocracy. But I can't say I'm shocked that some people seem to only want the former and seem to think the latter is actively bad.

pragmatism, like "electability," is in the eye of the beholder.

a list of US politicians who qualify as complicated and nuanced characters would prob be a pretty short list tbh

Senator Hamlet

a list of US politicians who qualify as complicated and nuanced characters would prob be a pretty short list tbh

yeah I didn't get that either

@DonaldJTrumpJr on Biden saying government has failed some people: "The problem is, you've been in government for almost 50 years."

— Maggie Haberman (@maggieNYT) June 18, 2019

https://mobile.twitter.com/maggieNYT

solid burn, wonder who told jr

Quite the closing riff by @JoeBiden tonight pic.twitter.com/m8j6CYbO8N

— Christopher Cadelago (@ccadelago) June 19, 2019

if he gets the nom I swear to god he will lose, what even is this shit

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I’m not (inaudible) revolution for next month’s thread title.

xp

(well, not this here thread’s obv)

Biden 2020: Make America (Inaudible) Again

Folks, the more I think about this statement by Biden, the more a sickening realization hits me:

Joe Biden just dog-whistled to racists. He signaled that he’s a good old boy and that he can get along with them.

I knew weeks ago I couldn’t support him. Now I’m actively opposed. https://t.co/86NoZ0j5YA

— Cliston Brown (@ClistonBrown) June 19, 2019

This thread has made the social media rounds:

The more I hear about @ewarren's "solutions" the less I support her. Her proposed policies sound mostly like wonky technocratic regulatory schemes, not actual solutions. We have seen these type of elaborately conceived concessions to the market fail time and time again.

— Daniel Baryon (@apeirophobic) June 15, 2019

The people in that thread are full-on unhinged.

to wit:

She's like the cop who only shoots Black people when "my life was endangered".

— Laura (@Laura78703) June 16, 2019

I think there’s a difference between acknowledging that in politics you sometimes have to work with people who have views you strongly disagree with and dog-whistling to racists.

That was in reference to unperson’s post.

Yeah, I'm about to un-follow this guy's thread to which I foolishly contributed. I keep waiting to be called a capitalist stooge.

i rly rly dont understand leftists who think bernie is one of them.

i guess because if all you ever do is respond with platitudes ppl can project onto you what they want to see.

The demonization of everyone else is what worries me

xp

like bernie is def sympathetic to Actual Socialism but this idea that bernie helps herald in the american october revolution is a flight of fancy that i cannot get understand.

xp

understand

DSA types are tearing down Warren at all costs the past two weeks

ive noticed that too. someone called her neoliberal and thats when i realized it was personal.

i've also learned recently that a ton of people are using "neoliberal" to mean "bland modern centrist democrats," which sometimes is totally correct of course, but also means that the pejorative can be misapplied if you're using the term to refer to reaganite/thatcherite economics and the privatization of everything specifically

wait that is neoliberalism

maybe im misreading you, you mean that neoliberal is improperly used to criticize moderate dems who are not covert reaganites?

right, i mean, the last part of my post (reagan etc.) is how i understand the term. but for some people it's just a synonym for the use of "liberal" as a pejorative from the left. understandable I guess, given the meaning of "liberal" in US politics, vs. classical liberalism etc.

and again there's plenty of overlap in that venn diagram between neoliberals and centrist "liberals." but it has led to me being confused by conversations more than once.

DSA types are tearing down Warren at all costs the past two weeks

― Vape Store (crüt), Wednesday, June 19, 2019 8:10 AM (fifteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ive noticed that too. someone called her neoliberal and thats when i realized it was personal.

― hollow your fart (m bison), Wednesday, June 19, 2019 8:13 AM (twelve minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

if this is actually happening then i'm fucking furious

Bernie, see, has been at this longer. And he marched with works. Plus, she was a Republican once.

She is a liberal, of course. No need to exaggerate...

For example:

Warren wants a technocratic zombie capitalism, propped up in all its failures by a remedial state. Sanders wants a socialist cultural transformation and a leftist reformulation of workers' rights, enabling them to subvert capitalism and build class power.

— Daniel Baryon (@apeirophobic) June 15, 2019

I just read on FB that Bernie "had his chance in 2016." He's just like Hillary after all!

And he marched with works.

I know you didn't mean "wonks"...

I mean, if we're going to make up shit based on not understanding or comprehending people's positions, stay tuned for my 100-tweet thread with citations on Bernie's secret plan to arm poor white people and turn them into Marxist race militias

I don't think it's totally wrong to say that Sanders has a "cultural transformation" angle Warren hasn't really taken. The rest of that tweet is pretty lolsy

Some good links here: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/6/18/18678000/elizabeth-warren-bernie-sanders-2020-similarities-differences

Technocratic solutions are good actually imo

name some

(I honestly can't think of any, the word sounds like Zuckerberg)

I think the way I’ve seen people use it on twitter, they’re talking about politicians who favor policies like “health savings accounts” instead of single-payer, but idk if that’s really the correct way to apply the term, which afaik means “policy designed by experts and not elected reps”

*use the term technocratic

This bill is
This bill is
This bill is technocratic

ah those New York instincts!

NYT: Where you would you go on your first international trip as president?
Gillibrand: Israel.
Hickenlooper, Swalwell, Klobuchar: Our NATO allies.

— Jeffrey St. Clair (@JSCCounterPunch) June 19, 2019