2020 Democratic presidential primary

idk I kinda like the "real, physical revolution" idea he was promoting there

Aimless: yeah yeah yeah ad nauseum throwing up

splinter/tombot otm

i can't stop saying/thinking Me Like Boobs

ME LIKE BOOBS AND FOMENTING CIVIL WAR

"Can you tell me about a time you disagreed with a decision that was made at work?"

~don't say me like boobs, don't say me like boobs, don't say me like boobs, don't say me like boobs~

"...I can't tell...me...like...boobs FUCK"

https://slate.com/business/2019/06/joe-biden-health-care-plan-he-gave-a-peek-and-we-have-questions.html

So far this event is really clarifying how Warren and Sanders have diverged. Both have detailed plans, but Warren spends more time unpacking them; Sanders brings every question back to "political revolution," because "all the legislation in the world" isn't enough w/o pressure.

— Dave Weigel (@daveweigel) June 17, 2019

lol Karl I thought you were going to go with "me like... asses?"

lol

Bernie was walking the walk when Warren was still a registered Republican

— Thomas Attila Lewis (@tomdog) June 18, 2019

I like that Bernie is kind of a simple person with strong convictions stretching back half a century. If I wanted a complicated and nuanced character who evolved over time I’d read a novel.

fortunately Warren has that too; even when she was a nominal Republican she was publishing and lecturing on the dangers of unmediated corporate greed.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/04/12/elizabeth-warren-profile-young-republican-2020-president-226613

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/06/24/can-elizabeth-warren-win-it-all

I like that Bernie is kind of a simple person with strong convictions stretching back half a century. If I wanted a complicated and nuanced character who evolved over time I’d read a novel.

― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, June 18, 2019

man, you would've hated FDR!

I like Warren because she actually seems to blend vision and boldness with pragmatism and, gasp, even some technocracy. But I can't say I'm shocked that some people seem to only want the former and seem to think the latter is actively bad.

pragmatism, like "electability," is in the eye of the beholder.

a list of US politicians who qualify as complicated and nuanced characters would prob be a pretty short list tbh

Senator Hamlet

a list of US politicians who qualify as complicated and nuanced characters would prob be a pretty short list tbh

yeah I didn't get that either

@DonaldJTrumpJr on Biden saying government has failed some people: "The problem is, you've been in government for almost 50 years."

— Maggie Haberman (@maggieNYT) June 18, 2019

https://mobile.twitter.com/maggieNYT

solid burn, wonder who told jr

Quite the closing riff by @JoeBiden tonight pic.twitter.com/m8j6CYbO8N

— Christopher Cadelago (@ccadelago) June 19, 2019

if he gets the nom I swear to god he will lose, what even is this shit

Что делать? Наболевшие вопросы нашего движения

I’m not (inaudible) revolution for next month’s thread title.

xp

(well, not this here thread’s obv)

Biden 2020: Make America (Inaudible) Again

Folks, the more I think about this statement by Biden, the more a sickening realization hits me:

Joe Biden just dog-whistled to racists. He signaled that he’s a good old boy and that he can get along with them.

I knew weeks ago I couldn’t support him. Now I’m actively opposed. https://t.co/86NoZ0j5YA

— Cliston Brown (@ClistonBrown) June 19, 2019

This thread has made the social media rounds:

The more I hear about @ewarren's "solutions" the less I support her. Her proposed policies sound mostly like wonky technocratic regulatory schemes, not actual solutions. We have seen these type of elaborately conceived concessions to the market fail time and time again.

— Daniel Baryon (@apeirophobic) June 15, 2019

The people in that thread are full-on unhinged.

to wit:

She's like the cop who only shoots Black people when "my life was endangered".

— Laura (@Laura78703) June 16, 2019

I think there’s a difference between acknowledging that in politics you sometimes have to work with people who have views you strongly disagree with and dog-whistling to racists.

That was in reference to unperson’s post.

Yeah, I'm about to un-follow this guy's thread to which I foolishly contributed. I keep waiting to be called a capitalist stooge.

i rly rly dont understand leftists who think bernie is one of them.

i guess because if all you ever do is respond with platitudes ppl can project onto you what they want to see.

The demonization of everyone else is what worries me

xp

like bernie is def sympathetic to Actual Socialism but this idea that bernie helps herald in the american october revolution is a flight of fancy that i cannot get understand.

xp

understand

DSA types are tearing down Warren at all costs the past two weeks

ive noticed that too. someone called her neoliberal and thats when i realized it was personal.

i've also learned recently that a ton of people are using "neoliberal" to mean "bland modern centrist democrats," which sometimes is totally correct of course, but also means that the pejorative can be misapplied if you're using the term to refer to reaganite/thatcherite economics and the privatization of everything specifically

wait that is neoliberalism

maybe im misreading you, you mean that neoliberal is improperly used to criticize moderate dems who are not covert reaganites?

right, i mean, the last part of my post (reagan etc.) is how i understand the term. but for some people it's just a synonym for the use of "liberal" as a pejorative from the left. understandable I guess, given the meaning of "liberal" in US politics, vs. classical liberalism etc.

and again there's plenty of overlap in that venn diagram between neoliberals and centrist "liberals." but it has led to me being confused by conversations more than once.

DSA types are tearing down Warren at all costs the past two weeks

― Vape Store (crüt), Wednesday, June 19, 2019 8:10 AM (fifteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ive noticed that too. someone called her neoliberal and thats when i realized it was personal.

― hollow your fart (m bison), Wednesday, June 19, 2019 8:13 AM (twelve minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

if this is actually happening then i'm fucking furious

Bernie, see, has been at this longer. And he marched with works. Plus, she was a Republican once.

She is a liberal, of course. No need to exaggerate...