He looks terrified in that picture, and moments later he was dead. But this is a far right wannabe massmurderer, don't sweat it. I'm sure Breivik was nervous as well.
― Frederik B, Monday, 17 June 2019 21:49 (four years ago) link
this ain't Nashville, this is Dallas
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 17 June 2019 21:50 (four years ago) link
― Frederik B, Monday, June 17, 2019 11:49 PM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I don't get the analogy? Don't get what you're trying to say tbh
― Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 17 June 2019 21:56 (four years ago) link
i'm gonna quit so i don't get trenchant or worked up about it but, regardless of what a clearly horrible person this guy was, I can't read anyone posting "lol u ded" on social media as anything more than a poisonous and soul-crushing statement of nihilism and a further expression of the problem.
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 17 June 2019 21:58 (four years ago) link
Completely agree.
― Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 17 June 2019 21:59 (four years ago) link
He was a fellow human and sufferer and all that, I guess, and it never feels right to gloat at someone’s death, whether it be one of these shooters or bin laden or whoevef. But I have to say, “mental help” seems like it could only be a partial solution for these people. There isn’t like one profile they all match, unfortunately. Doing this is a decision they’re making not an illness they have
― Trϵϵship, Monday, 17 June 2019 22:00 (four years ago) link
again another incident that won't be as discussed as much as it should be, because the shooter fortunately failed. this case could also be held up as an example of why armed guards work (and frankly if everyone is gonna have an AR-15 may as well have armed guards to stop them...)
the "dipshit" insults aren't gonna work as a deterrent, none of the dozens of dudes presently plotting massacres think they'll go out in this manner.
― omar little, Monday, 17 June 2019 22:01 (four years ago) link
But yeah, mostly ulysses otm. I don’t know the proper attitude toward evil people but devaluing life never feels right to me
― Trϵϵship, Monday, 17 June 2019 22:01 (four years ago) link
(he's not as far as I can tell carrying a sword, though I might have missed something?)
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 17 June 2019 22:01 (four years ago) link
Fuck, Treeship, I really don't know you like this... What would be a good solution for "these people" then?
Damn.
― Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 17 June 2019 22:03 (four years ago) link
?
― Trϵϵship, Monday, 17 June 2019 22:05 (four years ago) link
xp to treesh, you would have to be insane to both concoct a reason and then put yourself in position to murder multiple strangers and almost certainly either be subsequently murdered or imprisoned for the rest of your life so i automatically consider any mass shooter to be mentally ill QED
he's got a scabbard poking out from behind him in that picture and the internet promptly found this:
pic.twitter.com/wolRKk8dNP— Pretend NOLA (@pretendNOLA) June 17, 2019
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 17 June 2019 22:05 (four years ago) link
sry treesh, got xposts mixed up <3
― Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 17 June 2019 22:07 (four years ago) link
I guess so. But the far right ones have some ideological motive—they’re more like suicide bombers
― Trϵϵship, Monday, 17 June 2019 22:07 (four years ago) link
Mental illness is a piece—they’re not “well” obviously—but not a cause
― Trϵϵship, Monday, 17 June 2019 22:08 (four years ago) link
just wanna weigh in as another representative from this side of the ocean and note that calling a guy making an assault on a public building with automatic weapons a dipshit is ok
its also ok that hes dead and nobody else is
its not ok that hes dead because of whatever reason drove him to this
its a third-degree 'not ok to be ok with this', at worst a slap on the wrist for anyone calling him a dipshit
― godfellaz (darraghmac), Monday, 17 June 2019 22:08 (four years ago) link
i walk by a hundred mentally ill people on the way to work in the morning (while being a mentally ill person myself), many of whom are on drugs or in psychosis, none of them are going to attempt to massacre people for fascism. fuck this guy and ha ha at his death.
― findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Monday, 17 June 2019 22:11 (four years ago) link
i mean, "mental illness" is an enormous umbrella.
someone with antisocial personality disorder, for instance, has basically the opposite psychological profile of someone with debilitating anxiety but they're both in the dsm you know.
― Trϵϵship, Monday, 17 June 2019 22:14 (four years ago) link
best to keep that umbrella closed then tbf
― Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 17 June 2019 22:16 (four years ago) link
https://img.thedailybeast.com/image/upload/c_crop,d_placeholder_euli9k/dpr_1.5/c_limit,w_690/fl_lossy,q_auto/190617-weill-shooter-embed-1_qgdxxz
― omar little, Monday, 17 June 2019 22:17 (four years ago) link
the fuck didn't he shoot up a westboro meet so
― godfellaz (darraghmac), Monday, 17 June 2019 22:18 (four years ago) link
Open-carrying of swords is protected in Texas, BTW.
― a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 17 June 2019 22:20 (four years ago) link
https://www.thedailybeast.com/dallas-federal-building-shooter-posted-far-right-memes-about-nazis-and-confederacy
it seems like there are internet subcultures that are actually encouraging this. which--maybe that's "duh"--but i think it's worth acknowledging. seems like a social phenomenon rather than just about individual pathology.
― Trϵϵship, Monday, 17 June 2019 22:20 (four years ago) link
While not inherently political, anime body pillows are
― mark s, Monday, 17 June 2019 22:25 (four years ago) link
why are anime nerds white supremacists now?
― Trϵϵship, Monday, 17 June 2019 22:27 (four years ago) link
you can repel them with stuff that's inherently political, like the frankfurt school
― mark s, Monday, 17 June 2019 22:30 (four years ago) link
lol
― Trϵϵship, Monday, 17 June 2019 22:35 (four years ago) link
it's funny cause it's true
― Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 17 June 2019 22:37 (four years ago) link
― findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Monday, June 17, 2019 3:11 PM (thirty-eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― don't mock my smock or i'll clean your clock (silby), Monday, 17 June 2019 22:51 (four years ago) link
This guy played his own death for laughs! the least we can do is oblige him
― Dan I., Tuesday, 18 June 2019 01:39 (four years ago) link
you would have to be insane to both concoct a reason and then put yourself in position to murder multiple strangers and almost certainly either be subsequently murdered or imprisoned for the rest of your life so i automatically consider any mass shooter to be mentally ill QED
This is question-begging of the worst sort.
― I don't get wet because I am tall and thin and I am afraid of people (Eliza D.), Tuesday, 18 June 2019 12:14 (four years ago) link
Also any prospective mass shooter who doesn't take the time and prep to tape together up-down-up jungle clips is in fact a dipshit.
― I don't get wet because I am tall and thin and I am afraid of people (Eliza D.), Tuesday, 18 June 2019 12:15 (four years ago) link
This guy attempted to kill a lot of people, my main empathetic response is relief that these people are still alive, and concern with how they're dealing with what must still be a very scary and traumatic situation. And concern with the very many people who live in fear of right-wing hate crimes, and how this story must be triggering to them. These are who my empathy immediately go to, and if schadenfreude and cynicism is how people deal with this, then that's pretty ok by me.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 18 June 2019 13:46 (four years ago) link
after christchurch, we learned that there were message boards where people were mostly pro- the shooting.
this person seems to have been part of a similar online subculture (right wing meme whatever).
is the fbi watching these places? should they? if it wasn't a messageboard but a treehouse where people were encouraging each other to do these things, wouldn't it get raided immediately?
― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 18 June 2019 18:48 (four years ago) link
are you asking if the fbi should be monitoring message boards where people plan and/or celebrate terrorist acts is that a thing you are asking
― godfellaz (darraghmac), Tuesday, 18 June 2019 18:49 (four years ago) link
i think they should i guess. and it should be treated the same way as like ISIS.com if it existed
― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 18 June 2019 18:50 (four years ago) link
and i also think at some point these need to be seen as terrorist attacks and not just as isolated madmen. the last few of these guys seemed to have similar beliefs.
― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 18 June 2019 18:51 (four years ago) link
i wish youd make your mind up the guys are in the trucks, they're oitta the trucks, theyre back in the trucks, its a fair set-to waiting on ya
― godfellaz (darraghmac), Tuesday, 18 June 2019 18:52 (four years ago) link
well, as soon as i make up my mind we'll have swift action because i'm king of america, let me be clear
― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 18 June 2019 18:54 (four years ago) link
seriously though, i feel that we are under attack and it's not being acknowledged. these aren't isolated incidents.
the fbi already does monitor messageboards where people regularly discuss terrorist acts
this is completely against protocol, but i am agent m, fbi. the m stands for maloney. that's not a typo, my username here is heavily inspired by my real surname, but also the letter y. i am here to monitor this messageboard, and i can tell you that because i believe we've all built up a measure of trust here through the years
― i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 18 June 2019 19:00 (four years ago) link
https://ceinquiry.wordpress.com/2019/06/17/fbi-8chan/
they're online sucking hard
― ogmor, Tuesday, 18 June 2019 19:01 (four years ago) link
https://pm1.narvii.com/6859/979863998a8539739fc64e0703cc26273f0fe01ev2_hq.jpg
― Morrie Antoilette (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 18 June 2019 19:03 (four years ago) link
holy shit its the feds
― godfellaz (darraghmac), Tuesday, 18 June 2019 19:06 (four years ago) link
If that is real ogmor that is the stupidest possible way for the fbi to monitor that board
― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 18 June 2019 19:07 (four years ago) link
fbi doesn't have the directive (or budget) to worry abt white terrorists
https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/11/01/when-fighting-domestic-terrorism-you-get-what-you-pay-for-antisemitism-far-right-countering-violent-extremism-jihadists/
― d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 18 June 2019 19:41 (four years ago) link
I mean there are good terrorists and bad terrorists, which are we talking about here
― d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 18 June 2019 19:42 (four years ago) link
wtf is that drawing? it's unnerving af!
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 18 June 2019 20:43 (four years ago) link
Infuriating. Anyway, I think the media should call these shootings terrorist attacks. They’re not isolated, they are some kind of sick social phenomenon, and many times the shooter is driven by right wing ideology.
― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 18 June 2019 22:02 (four years ago) link
https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/07/28/reports-shots-fired-at-gilroy-garlic-festival/
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 29 July 2019 03:24 (four years ago) link