2020 Democratic presidential primary

and now he's pulling an anemic 9% in South Carolina.

right, and 3rd/4th in texas. i don't know how well he's learned the lessons of '16.

sorry i haven't really been paying attention to this election yet but reading the last few posts.. is bernie really still a thing??

he's one of 4 or 5 legit contenders, yes. his fanbase is v devoted and he's still the most ardent supporter of social democratic policies in america.

democratic socialist policies, and don't you forget it!

It's kind of amazing that Treeship doesn't support what could be the first female president, because the white man makes for a better narrative...

Don't vote for the narrative of it.

what lessons exactly should he have learned from 16? he took a 100 to one protest candidacy that absolutely no-one took seriously against a DNC appointed shoe in and built an unprecedented grass roots small donation campaign that was tremendously successful nationally. his platform of medicare for all and 15 dollar minimum wage have spread throughout the democratic political landscape almost as prerequisites for progressive democrats.

yes, and those are all reasons why i voted for him in 2016! but there is a heap of difference between (a) elevating from protest candidate to respectable 2nd in a narrow field and (b) adding to your coalition to secure the nomination.

he can essentially run the same campaign as four years ago and finish well, maybe even better given the billion candidates in the race. but if he wants the nomination he will absolutely need voters he didnt have in 2016 and i dont think he's flexible enough a thinker/campaigner to try anything new.

democratic socialists of bamerica xp

knock it off with the well-poisoning, fred

otm

hey its not too late to make me a mod so i can ban fred from us politics threads

I may still vote for warren fred, it’s not either or. But there is a reason many people feel a strong connection to bernie and its because he was the first national politician to say that people shouldn’t be working multiple jobs and facing eviction and not have access to healthcare. He’s the one that is standing up to amazon and wal mart.

that matters a lot. bernie has earned the trust he has with supporters bc of his consistent messaging on these issues over the decades.

to warren's credit, she's someone who's actively campaigning to break up amazon.

so I posted my Wilson vs TR explanations for nothing

hahaha no it was good!

the anti-trust analogy was well taken

I read them and appreciated the comparison

as hardbitten realists, I think we can all agree that we live to be disappointed

seems like if you were a hardbitten realist you would be constantly proved correct and have your conclusions validated because of your uncanny ability to accurately foresee outcomes

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1912_United_States_presidential_election

hmmm

"The (Progressive) party was funded by publisher Frank Munsey and its executive secretary George Walbridge Perkins, an employee of banker J. P. Morgan and International Harvester. Perkins blocked an anti-trust plank, shocking reformers who thought of Roosevelt as a true trust-buster. The delegates to the convention sang the hymn "Onward, Christian Soldiers" as their anthem. In a famous acceptance speech, Roosevelt compared the coming presidential campaign to the Battle of Armageddon and stated that the Progressives were going to "battle for the LORD." However, many of the nation's newspapers, which tended to be pro-Republican, harshly depicted Roosevelt as an egotist who was only running for president to spoil Taft's chances and feed his vanity."

The Progressives' often appalling civil rights record (and support for Prohibition) is not often mentioned in the history books.

this is interesting alfred. i didn't know all that much about TR

Don't vote for the narrative of it.

but seems right to me

Treesh, I recommend this eye-opening book, Melvin Urofksy's 2009 Brandeis bio (y'all should know about his SCOTUS career), and John Milton Cooper's Wilson bio from the same year.

It's kind of amazing that Treeship doesn't support what could be the first female president, because the white man makes for a better narrative...

I am convinced Fred is now posting with Transformer assistance

I hate to even vaguely agree with the Airy Danish but "narrative" should only be used by bad journalists

yes but in what world does Bernie make for a better narrative than Warren?

maybe he doesn't and idgaf

(he was never a Republican tho)

Never a Democrat either

to his credit, wish I could say the same

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/bernie-sanders-signs-dnc-loyalty-pledge-i-am-member-democratic-n979696

glad that's settled!

look fwd to him endorsing Biden

if bernie's choices are limited to endorsing biden, endorsing trump, endorsing someone who isn't biden or trump, but a third party candidate who has no chance at all of winning, or else just sitting on the sideline and not expressing any preference at all, then I'd say endorsing biden looks like the right move to me, whatever you may say to the contrary.

Westeros picked the candidate with the best narrative and look where it got them

this is worse than me like boobs imo. and yes splinter is generally tiresome but I thought the summary of the wrongness of his remark was good

https://splinternews.com/biden-if-you-dont-want-to-work-with-republicans-start-1835597845

idk I kinda like the "real, physical revolution" idea he was promoting there

Aimless: yeah yeah yeah ad nauseum throwing up

splinter/tombot otm

i can't stop saying/thinking Me Like Boobs

ME LIKE BOOBS AND FOMENTING CIVIL WAR

"Can you tell me about a time you disagreed with a decision that was made at work?"

~don't say me like boobs, don't say me like boobs, don't say me like boobs, don't say me like boobs~

"...I can't tell...me...like...boobs FUCK"

https://slate.com/business/2019/06/joe-biden-health-care-plan-he-gave-a-peek-and-we-have-questions.html

So far this event is really clarifying how Warren and Sanders have diverged. Both have detailed plans, but Warren spends more time unpacking them; Sanders brings every question back to "political revolution," because "all the legislation in the world" isn't enough w/o pressure.

— Dave Weigel (@daveweigel) June 17, 2019

lol Karl I thought you were going to go with "me like... asses?"

lol

Bernie was walking the walk when Warren was still a registered Republican

— Thomas Attila Lewis (@tomdog) June 18, 2019