2020 Democratic presidential primary

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i think julián should grow a goatee

What odds is yang edging closing in?

now that he's got this far can he close the gap further?

Yes, he most certainly close it further. He's at ~1% in Iowa rn. I'd say there is a good chance that he hasn't reached his maximum ceiling, yet, which I estimate could be as high as 3%!

What odds is yang edging closing in?

― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek),

he needs more ying

yeesh

He’s over performing in online betting markets because they’re populated by crypto currency techies predisposed to like him and British people (lol betting). Both these groups do their US politics entirely online, so he may even seem popular to them. He isn’t.

yep

I generally like Warren but I don't really buy the "she's Bernie but better" rhetoric. They're different in not-insignificant ways; for instance there's always been a mobilizing edge to Sanders' politics that she generally doesn't opt for. I feel like I spot blasts like this every few days in different parts of the country.

#Bernie2020 is calling on all his supporters to come rally w #Teachers at the #WestVirginia Capitol on Mon, June 17!

If you're in or around WV, please GO stand in #solidarity w teachers as the WV GOP continues to try to silence them. #RedForEd
✊🍎👩‍🏫🔥https://t.co/sEKI8LpfE6 pic.twitter.com/KUw67UTAqH

— TrekkerTeach (@trekkerteach12) June 14, 2019

yeah this may be wrong but the feel i get from warren's campaigning is more like you signing on to a thing, more than you being mobilized to do something, though it's not obvious that those amount to different things in their respective campaigning efforts

I generally like Warren but I don't really buy the "she's Bernie but better" rhetoric.

not an accusation but who is saying this?

all the cool kids

well, truth hurts

cool kids still support Bernie

but as far as policy there isn't a dime's worth of difference other than his FDR posturing and her warmth and charisma on the stump

if you’re a dem candidate in 2019 and arent rallying your supporters to go stand w striking teachers I Just Don’t Know


(I’m a monthly contributor to Warren btw)

If the Democratic Party chooses either Sanders or Warren for its nominee, I will be very happy to support either one.

There are at least six other possible nominees I would be progressively less happy to support, but I would support them in any event with something almost resembling happiness. There are some candidates I would be pretty reluctant to support, should they become the Democratic nominee, but I would support in spite of my great reluctance, then, if they won, I would barrage my Congress reps to support the right policies and hope the administration didn't undermine them.

well, truth hurts

lol, apparently "Bernie fatigue" hurts plenty

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-82blMxGXcs

I understand, one can't just keep repeat-bloggin' candidates like they were film lists.

xpost Aimless otm

but as far as policy there isn't a dime's worth of difference other than his FDR posturing and her warmth and charisma on the stump

― recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, June 16, 2019 7:51 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i think the point is that this only matters if you ONLY care about "policy"

I like Warren but I'm willing to admit that that's because I'd be happy with a competent executive in charge of things. That understandably doesn't vibe with everyone even if it does understandably vibe with ILXor types.

I seem to recall reading something that made a reasonable case that Warren's progressivism was sort of organized around an anti-trust approach, while Sanders's was more focused on redistribution... this might have been like a longform Jacobin piece, like "the four different progressive wings of the democratic party" or something of that nature. But it's pretty obvious that someone could incorporate pieces of both, and that piece was a while ago - feel like all of Warren's policy documents over the course of the campaign have maybe shifted this a bit.

who doesn't love factionalism?

Politics isn’t just about policies, it’s about narratives. Bernie’s vision is about restoring mass politics and fundamentally rethinking cherished American myths about the entrpreneurship, individualism and capitalism.

Warren, whom I also love and would 100% support, is telling a slightly different story about rooting out corruption and restoring balance to a system that, at its core, could be stable and just.

I think narratives are important. They shape the way voters will think about the country, what they will push for in their representatives, etc

I think we need a reckoning so right now I support Bernie. He is the candidate who puts minimum wage workers at the center of his agenda

I like Warren but I'm willing to admit that that's because I'd be happy with a competent executive in charge of things. That understandably doesn't vibe with everyone even if it does understandably vibe with ILXor types.

competency alone isn't 100% of it for me, but it's probably 90%. i yearn for a president that will appoint other competent people. competent people who actually want to do good things for the program or agency to which they were appointed to lead.

holy shit, someone slap me, i must be dreaming

I may have said this here before but Bernie would make an excellent Secretary of State in a Warren administration.

I can't imagine Bernie Sanders caring to be anything in between Senator from Vermont and President

Bernie’s vision is about restoring mass politics and fundamentally rethinking cherished American myths about the entrpreneurship, individualism and capitalism.

i dont disagee entirely, although i doubt bernie's efficacy to do this. and i think if you dont deliver on policies you risk losing the opportunity to seize the narrative your talking about.

This Warren vs Sanders discussion reminds me of the (minor but important) differences between Wilson and TR during the 1912 election.

i mean if we use bernie's run in 2016 he straight up did not campaign in southern states, the fuck kind of poor people's campaign is he running??

xp

xp alfred, do tell!

secretary of state is an odd position for bernie given that 95% of his campaigning and stumping has been about domestic policy. unfortunately none of our cabinet-level positions have the same ring/cachet as State, so they would all feel too 'small' for a figure of his prominence, i think.

"in 2016 he straight up did not campaign in southern states" he lost southern states I cant find any sources that say he didn't actualy campaign in them, care to elaborate?

xp alfred, do tell!

^^

the only thing i know about that election is that TR kept tapping a big stick against his palm while wagging his finger at everyone who didn't support him, to which wilson would say "my opponent may have a point. but i have over a dozen"

Speaking broadly TR's New Nationalism called for federal government control the economy, family, education, and the military; only the government could be a fair arbiter between the powerful and powerless.

Whereas Wilson's New Freedom, indebted to Louis Brandeis' fear of what he called "bigness," limited itself to three proposal: tariff lowering, a banking system, and antitrust laws. Stuff would take care of itself if Congress passed these agenda items. He was essentially a capitalist who wanted a fairer free enterprise system.

Obv considerable overlap happened once Wilson took office.

Brandeis is really one of the most important figures of the early 20th century who never gets mentioned as as key figure in the evolution of 19th century liberalism (when it meant something else entirely) to a system of thinking that tried making sense of market forces.

xxxp im exaggerating, he just didn't focus v much there

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/bernie-sanders-south-carolina-schedule-219708
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2016/04/18/why-bernie-sanders-will-rue-his-deep-south-dismissal-of-black-voters/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.6b447463c5cf
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/04/sanders-race-south/478506/

and now he's pulling an anemic 9% in South Carolina.

right, and 3rd/4th in texas. i don't know how well he's learned the lessons of '16.

sorry i haven't really been paying attention to this election yet but reading the last few posts.. is bernie really still a thing??

he's one of 4 or 5 legit contenders, yes. his fanbase is v devoted and he's still the most ardent supporter of social democratic policies in america.

democratic socialist policies, and don't you forget it!

It's kind of amazing that Treeship doesn't support what could be the first female president, because the white man makes for a better narrative...

Don't vote for the narrative of it.

what lessons exactly should he have learned from 16? he took a 100 to one protest candidacy that absolutely no-one took seriously against a DNC appointed shoe in and built an unprecedented grass roots small donation campaign that was tremendously successful nationally. his platform of medicare for all and 15 dollar minimum wage have spread throughout the democratic political landscape almost as prerequisites for progressive democrats.

yes, and those are all reasons why i voted for him in 2016! but there is a heap of difference between (a) elevating from protest candidate to respectable 2nd in a narrow field and (b) adding to your coalition to secure the nomination.

he can essentially run the same campaign as four years ago and finish well, maybe even better given the billion candidates in the race. but if he wants the nomination he will absolutely need voters he didnt have in 2016 and i dont think he's flexible enough a thinker/campaigner to try anything new.

democratic socialists of bamerica xp