"press 1 for Norway option..
so it looks like one of Gove/Hunt against Boris on the final ballot.
― calzino, Sunday, 16 June 2019 10:43 (four years ago) link
Hunt, surely.
― John Harris is a Guardian columnist (Tom D.), Sunday, 16 June 2019 11:00 (four years ago) link
50,000 Angry Men
https://www.bfi.org.uk/films-tv-people/sites/bfi.org.uk.films-tv-people/files/styles/gallery_full/public/image/12-angry-men-bfi-00m-q2r.jpg
― mark s, Sunday, 16 June 2019 11:08 (four years ago) link
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― John Harris is a Guardian columnist (Tom D.), Sunday, 16 June 2019 11:12 (four years ago) link
I'm not so sure it's necessarily going to be Hunt. A lot depends on whether the Stop Boris brigade conclude their interests are going to be best served by having a committed Brexiter face off against Johnson in the final two, rather than a former Remainer who could be too easily caricatured as May pt II. Gove is probably *slightly* more likely to beat Johnson than Hunt in a contest where blandness really isn't seen as a good thing, but I think on balance he's probably fucked it.
There are currently 50 spare Parliamentary votes up for grabs, more if there are other withdrawals. I'm assuming Rory Stewart lacks the humility to quit but things don't appear to proceeding according to plan for the Saj or Dominic Raab. The latter's votes would probably go straight to Johnson in any case, but a draining away of Javid's remaining support would boost one of the other candidates.
Johnson is too far ahead to be touched now but the picture could change heavily for the others.
― Matt DC, Sunday, 16 June 2019 11:48 (four years ago) link
It's possible that Raab might make up some ground by presenting himself as the real Brexit hardman when Johnson is empty-chaired in the C4 debate but fuck actually watching it to find out.
― Matt DC, Sunday, 16 June 2019 11:50 (four years ago) link
"..lets let 50000 schools of thought contend/flowers bloom etc... and if they are nearly all headbangers . well we'll try again!"
― calzino, Sunday, 16 June 2019 11:59 (four years ago) link
That is the worst thing ever pic.twitter.com/iHAxb8yiNw— John Blundell (@johnblundell993) June 16, 2019
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 16 June 2019 12:00 (four years ago) link
HE DRINKS A LAAGER DRINK
― mark s, Sunday, 16 June 2019 12:05 (four years ago) link
bantz heuristic has always taken me to hunt but gove is certainly putting good work in these last few days tbrr :(
― Matt DC,
Does Johnson being this far ahead change calculations for backers that they can afford for some of them to peel off and support Raab, to game the final two?
Also I've no idea how relevant this is
Want to hear what Torbay (63% Leave, 14,283 Conservative majority) thinks of Boris Johnson? Listen from 1min55 onwards... 👂🏾👂🏾👂🏾 https://t.co/MDdo4Vb0k0— Ash Sarkar (@AyoCaesar) June 15, 2019
thats pretty loud cheering for Ash's criticisms of Boris in a heavy leave/Tory area - but I've no idea how representative the audience are
― anvil, Sunday, 16 June 2019 12:10 (four years ago) link
most of those cheering don't have a vote in the leadership contest: part of my argument that boris can't become tory leader has been that the tory party has historically been very good at adapting to survive and boris-as-leader will wreck it, and the party knows this
but i think may's time in office has very badly damaged tory adaptive mechanisms though (the damage is still semi-invisible: but boris being chosen is a key symptom)
― mark s, Sunday, 16 June 2019 12:16 (four years ago) link
The crowd reactions in that recording are a tonic
― Simon H., Sunday, 16 June 2019 12:40 (four years ago) link
I am clowning myself by *checks notes* wondering whether someone who constantly fawns over Tories might be doing something a bit questionable by hanging out with a pro-apartheid group?
No, that's not what I'm saying at all.
(I have no particular desire to be Cap'n Save-a-The-Freedom-Association, but "their dads were probably pro-apartheid back when it was the position of half of the cabinet" is closer to the mark, AFAIK)
I mean the idea that this is all a game to her - which I don't believe. For example:
tee-hee-heeing about politics that cast people into misery and sometimes death
That'd be pretty serious, but I've not seen it.
― Andrew Farrell, Sunday, 16 June 2019 12:40 (four years ago) link
First - are the reactions relevant in any way? Does it make a difference any difference that they are reacting like that?
Second - does Boris-as-leader wreck it while Farage is a force? Aren't they kind of hemmed in? How do they see off the Farage threat without Boris or similar?
― anvil, Sunday, 16 June 2019 12:48 (four years ago) link
Idle thoughts department: wondering if Stanley Johnson was on an expat salary package in Brussels that paid for his sons’ Eton College fees.
― suzy, Sunday, 16 June 2019 12:49 (four years ago) link
Right, but there's probably no solution for the Tory party - or none they'll take.
― Andrew Farrell, Sunday, 16 June 2019 12:52 (four years ago) link
does it make a difference any difference - to what? the leadership contest? no. voting patterns in torbay? it's an indicator of the feelings of a room full of people, all kinds of info and weighting needed to extrapolate from it
all the elements in yr second question are aspects of the wreck, which is already here for them -- it's kind of an expansion of what i mean by "symptom" (tho there are other elements at work also)
― mark s, Sunday, 16 June 2019 12:54 (four years ago) link
to what? the leadership contest?
yes, what difference to this I guess? Is Boris the shoe-in thats imagined? If the audience in a strong Tory/Leave seat is indicative of Tory party members surely this has some relevance? If not then it doesn't
― anvil, Sunday, 16 June 2019 13:06 (four years ago) link
— what's it telling us? that many people really dislike and distrust him— is it telling us that enough people countrywide -- able to vote and etc -- dislike him to take an opponent over 50%? we don't know enough to extrapolate — if people not present hear this clip will they change their vote (this is what i assumed you meant by "make a difference")? maybe! boris is not implacably popular in the party! but they are in a massive panic, hedged at all ends and faced with ruin! their judgment will continue to be bad, for them as well as everyone else!
― mark s, Sunday, 16 June 2019 13:16 (four years ago) link
Any Questions audiences can vary from region to region but tend to be quite remainish in my experience, or sometimes they just love cheering guests, even if what they are saying is completely inverse to what the last guest they cheered said. Although the bbc would probably say this is a sign of a healthy mix in the audience - I think they clapping monkeys!
― calzino, Sunday, 16 June 2019 13:35 (four years ago) link
although I love it when a guest makes a trenchantly milking the audience comment and there is a moment where you can tell they are expecting a cheer or even just some hushed disapproval .. and it's followed by complete silence.
― calzino, Sunday, 16 June 2019 13:43 (four years ago) link
I think QT is more of a pull for vaguely fascist brexit ultras, meh who wants to be on the radio?
― calzino, Sunday, 16 June 2019 13:52 (four years ago) link
If you want a handle on listener thoughts, gird yourself for a listen to Any Answers.
― suzy, Sunday, 16 June 2019 14:00 (four years ago) link
— if people not present hear this clip will they change their vote (this is what i assumed you meant by "make a difference")? maybe!
no, not this. I wasn't thinking this would change anyones mind. The question was...how many of the people in the audience are Tories? If a lot then why are they so anti Boris when they're supposedly not?
Calzino's answers seem to cover the reasons for the cheering pretty well though, to counter that
― anvil, Sunday, 16 June 2019 14:02 (four years ago) link
lots of tories are very anti-boris!! but (possibly) not a majority
― mark s, Sunday, 16 June 2019 14:10 (four years ago) link
They all hated Cameron and they all hate Boris but come the GE, they will still vote Conservative.
― suzy, Sunday, 16 June 2019 14:37 (four years ago) link
I know they'll vote Conservative, but the question is will they definitely vote Boris for leader as easily as the odds are suggesting (landslide)?
― anvil, Sunday, 16 June 2019 15:08 (four years ago) link
Doesn't matter if he wins, which he will.
― John Harris is a Guardian columnist (Tom D.), Sunday, 16 June 2019 16:41 (four years ago) link
hm
― mark s, Sunday, 16 June 2019 16:50 (four years ago) link
Look, does it matter? Rory's parliament (church across the street) will bring him down.
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 16 June 2019 16:57 (four years ago) link
Gapes GAME OF RUMPS: or "Take Away that Bauble" https://c8.alamy.com/comp/HT13K9/take-away-that-bauble-cromwell-dissolving-the-long-parliament-1850-HT13K9.jpg
― mark s, Sunday, 16 June 2019 17:13 (four years ago) link
they all hate Boris but come the GE, they will still vote Conservative
suzy otm
― A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 16 June 2019 17:29 (four years ago) link
"take away that Raable"
― mark s, Sunday, 16 June 2019 18:16 (four years ago) link
is that shit on tv now? jesus help us, time for another ale and a nap.
― calzino, Sunday, 16 June 2019 18:28 (four years ago) link
apparently, i'm watching my email re-index instead (currently it has 69 hours and 8 minutes to go)
― mark s, Sunday, 16 June 2019 18:30 (four years ago) link
nice
― RUSSIA’S SEXIEST POKER STAR ELECTROCUTED BY HAIRDRYER (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 16 June 2019 18:47 (four years ago) link
Have to confess that I watched the Labour deputy leadership debate in 2007, I remember that Harriet Harman was just about ok, and Hazel Blears was the absolute worst.No interest at all in watching this one.
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Sunday, 16 June 2019 18:54 (four years ago) link
Gove says of Javid: "He's a hero, he has come from the background he has to achieve so much, he doesn't need an American president for all of us to recognise he's an amazing guy". Genuinely uplifting moment of the #C4Debate— Jane Merrick (@janemerrick23) June 16, 2019
― stress tweeting (gyac), Sunday, 16 June 2019 18:57 (four years ago) link
is this real or a parody?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D9NMe-wXUAAKM4y.jpg
― mark s, Sunday, 16 June 2019 19:49 (four years ago) link
it *seems* to be real?
― Fizzles, Sunday, 16 June 2019 19:57 (four years ago) link
Every older person should die with dignity and respect#C4debates #HastobeHunt pic.twitter.com/QUD77Cpgxi— Jeremy Hunt (@Jeremy_Hunt) June 16, 2019
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― mark s, Sunday, 16 June 2019 19:58 (four years ago) link
sort out your fucking grammar cunt
― RUSSIA’S SEXIEST POKER STAR ELECTROCUTED BY HAIRDRYER (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 16 June 2019 19:59 (four years ago) link
all he's doing is repeating the basic tenet that underpins austerity: dead people don't claim. Unlucky for this cunt that he needs dead people to vote tho!
― calzino, Sunday, 16 June 2019 20:00 (four years ago) link
look at the state of that collar
― RUSSIA’S SEXIEST POKER STAR ELECTROCUTED BY HAIRDRYER (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 16 June 2019 20:02 (four years ago) link
didn't fastening your top button properly used to be a fucking religious act to tory twats?
― calzino, Sunday, 16 June 2019 20:11 (four years ago) link
TS: Hastobe Hunt vs Hudson Hawke
― nashwan, Sunday, 16 June 2019 21:27 (four years ago) link
Stop the presses! Hancock is backing Boris.
― calzino, Sunday, 16 June 2019 22:02 (four years ago) link
A lot of Hancock backers other teams thought they had in the bag are heading to Rory, I hear.— Harry Cole (@MrHarryCole) June 16, 2019
― calzino, Sunday, 16 June 2019 22:07 (four years ago) link