2020 Democratic presidential primary

also m bison otm as usual re: Warren, she's a Senate loss I'm willing to accept, esp in a blue state

my partner is

It's an inside-baseball question, only you and Chris Hayes give a shit.

― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Fr

sez the guy who cares about the Pocahontas question

I think Warren is acquitting herself well but I would be happy if she remained my senator

I do care, Alfred, cuz it shows she is capable of tin-eared miscalculation

biden isn't gonna be me like boobs, but i would not put it past him to make a poorly-formed joek about his touchy-feelyness in a debate situation. his inability to read the room on this is pretty fuckin bad

I do care, Alfred, cuz it shows she is capable of tin-eared miscalculation

― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, June 14, 2019 11:13 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

where were you the 20,000th time Bernie struck out while answering a question about racism in America?

Spartacist League bake sale iirc

"Folks tell me, Joe, you gotta stop petting the girls, but i just can't help it. Me likey the ladies!"

Silence

"My first wife and daughter were killed in a horrible automobile accident."

Move the Democratic Doomsdy Clock another minute closer to Midnight... https://t.co/swsmQsHtoE

— Jeffrey St. Clair (@JSCCounterPunch) June 15, 2019

crut and roger, I am not a Bernie idolator. All politicians suck suck suck, p much.

(just not as much as the Clintons)

HC is headlining fundraisers, don't see what's so apocalyptic about that nor do I see why anyone is surprised. she will bring in money.

fuck 'Jeffrey St. Clair', really

no one's surprised

it's money that matters in the USA

just don't pretend the Dems are about a single other thing

How much of a danger is Yang? He's been gradually creeping up the odds now for some time, and thats without his turn as being the main focus of media attention, and its likely his turn soon. Effective media communicator, done well on RW media under pressure, got lucky with which debate night he is on.

Once Biden drops away a lot of votes there for the taking too

yang's core of support right now are rw 4ch*n dickholes who think he's sending them cryptic messages about the looming white minority and silicon valley dickholes who want to wipe out the traditional welfare state with UBI, pass

yes - well aware of the Trojan horse nature of what the UBI stuff is about! But the question is, now that he's got this far can he close the gap further? Is he a genuine danger given some of the more likely contenders are going to run into trouble once the debates start

no

i think julián should grow a goatee

What odds is yang edging closing in?

now that he's got this far can he close the gap further?

Yes, he most certainly close it further. He's at ~1% in Iowa rn. I'd say there is a good chance that he hasn't reached his maximum ceiling, yet, which I estimate could be as high as 3%!

What odds is yang edging closing in?

― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek),

he needs more ying

yeesh

He’s over performing in online betting markets because they’re populated by crypto currency techies predisposed to like him and British people (lol betting). Both these groups do their US politics entirely online, so he may even seem popular to them. He isn’t.

yep

I generally like Warren but I don't really buy the "she's Bernie but better" rhetoric. They're different in not-insignificant ways; for instance there's always been a mobilizing edge to Sanders' politics that she generally doesn't opt for. I feel like I spot blasts like this every few days in different parts of the country.

#Bernie2020 is calling on all his supporters to come rally w #Teachers at the #WestVirginia Capitol on Mon, June 17!

If you're in or around WV, please GO stand in #solidarity w teachers as the WV GOP continues to try to silence them. #RedForEd
✊🍎👩‍🏫🔥https://t.co/sEKI8LpfE6 pic.twitter.com/KUw67UTAqH

— TrekkerTeach (@trekkerteach12) June 14, 2019

yeah this may be wrong but the feel i get from warren's campaigning is more like you signing on to a thing, more than you being mobilized to do something, though it's not obvious that those amount to different things in their respective campaigning efforts

I generally like Warren but I don't really buy the "she's Bernie but better" rhetoric.

not an accusation but who is saying this?

all the cool kids

well, truth hurts

cool kids still support Bernie

but as far as policy there isn't a dime's worth of difference other than his FDR posturing and her warmth and charisma on the stump

if you’re a dem candidate in 2019 and arent rallying your supporters to go stand w striking teachers I Just Don’t Know


(I’m a monthly contributor to Warren btw)

If the Democratic Party chooses either Sanders or Warren for its nominee, I will be very happy to support either one.

There are at least six other possible nominees I would be progressively less happy to support, but I would support them in any event with something almost resembling happiness. There are some candidates I would be pretty reluctant to support, should they become the Democratic nominee, but I would support in spite of my great reluctance, then, if they won, I would barrage my Congress reps to support the right policies and hope the administration didn't undermine them.

well, truth hurts

lol, apparently "Bernie fatigue" hurts plenty

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-82blMxGXcs

I understand, one can't just keep repeat-bloggin' candidates like they were film lists.

xpost Aimless otm

but as far as policy there isn't a dime's worth of difference other than his FDR posturing and her warmth and charisma on the stump

― recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, June 16, 2019 7:51 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i think the point is that this only matters if you ONLY care about "policy"

I like Warren but I'm willing to admit that that's because I'd be happy with a competent executive in charge of things. That understandably doesn't vibe with everyone even if it does understandably vibe with ILXor types.

I seem to recall reading something that made a reasonable case that Warren's progressivism was sort of organized around an anti-trust approach, while Sanders's was more focused on redistribution... this might have been like a longform Jacobin piece, like "the four different progressive wings of the democratic party" or something of that nature. But it's pretty obvious that someone could incorporate pieces of both, and that piece was a while ago - feel like all of Warren's policy documents over the course of the campaign have maybe shifted this a bit.

who doesn't love factionalism?

Politics isn’t just about policies, it’s about narratives. Bernie’s vision is about restoring mass politics and fundamentally rethinking cherished American myths about the entrpreneurship, individualism and capitalism.

Warren, whom I also love and would 100% support, is telling a slightly different story about rooting out corruption and restoring balance to a system that, at its core, could be stable and just.

I think narratives are important. They shape the way voters will think about the country, what they will push for in their representatives, etc

I think we need a reckoning so right now I support Bernie. He is the candidate who puts minimum wage workers at the center of his agenda

I like Warren but I'm willing to admit that that's because I'd be happy with a competent executive in charge of things. That understandably doesn't vibe with everyone even if it does understandably vibe with ILXor types.

competency alone isn't 100% of it for me, but it's probably 90%. i yearn for a president that will appoint other competent people. competent people who actually want to do good things for the program or agency to which they were appointed to lead.

holy shit, someone slap me, i must be dreaming

I may have said this here before but Bernie would make an excellent Secretary of State in a Warren administration.

I can't imagine Bernie Sanders caring to be anything in between Senator from Vermont and President

Bernie’s vision is about restoring mass politics and fundamentally rethinking cherished American myths about the entrpreneurship, individualism and capitalism.

i dont disagee entirely, although i doubt bernie's efficacy to do this. and i think if you dont deliver on policies you risk losing the opportunity to seize the narrative your talking about.

This Warren vs Sanders discussion reminds me of the (minor but important) differences between Wilson and TR during the 1912 election.