2020 Democratic presidential primary

look fwd to Bern owning Biden, Harris and Empty Pete

I'm sure Warren can dominate those minor leaguers in her pool

many xposts:if sanders becomes pres, and let's say for this thought experiment he controls both houses and brings the dems to heel and can pass shit, id imagine the internal contradiction between his socialist rhetoric and his liberal policies may become an issue.

it is, in a way quite analogous with corbyn, whose manifesto for the GE was not partic socialist, interesting the way that their bonafides and history as dudes on the left gives them credibility in the eyes of people far to the left of their stated policies (obviously not all of them, there are plenty of leftists who are not interested in this incrementalism, both within dsa and within the orbit of say jacobin - jacobin's journal catalyst had an editorial wrangle that the ousted dr bob brenner blamed on his commitment to revolutionary politics vs sanders style doc dem stuff)

Yeah, I just feel like no one will pay attention to the orange debate.

Nobody is going to pay attention to either of them

We’re 9 months from Super Tuesday, this is a meat market for consultants and activists to pick teams

a lot of people are going to pay attention to both of them

Glad to see such cohesion and unity

If Warren can't dominate that stage she's in trouble

you would think, but it turns out that the Orange debate will be held on a dusty road by a pickup truck, and beto is packing his tight jeans

shirts vs skins

Inslee may not have a chance but he isn't a lightweight clown.

Americans forget the winner's campaign promises; lol Obama

This take is correct. For now.

To implicitly characterize Warren as seeing no greater crisis in American politics than “a few unenforced or misbegotten laws” is the most intelligence-insulting intelligence bullshit imaginable. Indeed, she has a much more comprehensive vision for addressing the crisis created by the anti-democratic elements of American politics than Bernie does.

Which of these candidates you prefer is a question of judgment, but the idea that using a magic word makes Bernie’s politics fundamentally different is just abject nonsense that can’t be supported by Bernie’s own agenda and description of his intentions.

I made the mistake with fighting with a Bernie guy yesterday in a private FB chat who could not accept that absorbing FDR's 1944 vision of America is not by any means socialism, no matter how many adjectives he places in front of it. And Warren beat him to it.

Yeah, co-determination is arguably more socialist than anything I have seen Sanders propose.

we all know American demo socialism is not "socialism"

Thankfully, neither one of us visits Reddit.

That grouping would be fine if Biden was in Warren's group so she can demolish him sooner and have him stop wasting peoples' time. As it is, she does feel relegated.

(Inslee will do great if he gets a chance to speak, as his goal is not to convince people that he should be president. He's got all the genial-patrician-white-guy and gladhanding-votegetter chops of Biden, without being a terrible dipshit with a skull full of fluffernutter, so should also be up against him to show Biden up further by better example. Harris and Bernie both getting to pwn Biden is promising for 20 minutes schadenfreude though.)

WATCH: @chrislhayes asks @BernieSanders, “Why does the word matter more than the agenda?” #inners pic.twitter.com/SYg9KnbWv4

— All In w/Chris Hayes (@allinwithchris) June 14, 2019

Am I being thick or did Sanders just flat-out not answer the question?

Correct!

he did not! xp

I think he's been mediocre at best this cycle. Thanks for the memories, Bernie.

the second season is often not as thrilling as the first

“Why does the word matter more than the agenda?”
"Powerful people need to hate you."
"Er, okay... So, you're saying you use the words 'Democratic Socialism' to put yourself in opposition to the powers in charge?"
"Economic rights are human rights."
"... I mean, yes they are, and you can say all of this regardless of what label you put on yourself, so why 'Democratic Socialism'?"
"Furthermore- [EXCERPT ENDS]"

Twitter: BERNIE 2020

The repeating-every-sentence-to-make-sure-we-get-it shtick is a fucking grind.

i enjoy the word socialism

i know we're not supposed to care about polls this early, but it's interesting that bernie's numbers have not recovered after biden's post-announcement bump even as numbers have kinda regressed.

meanwhile Warren keeps climbing

why are the colors purple and orange

big clemson fans probably

the california poll is quite shocking at this point. harris getting 4th in her own state. ever orourke is somehow still 2nd in texas

Just like his Senate race.

lol

i wouldn't be so sure that warren (or anyone else) is going to destroy biden during debates. and if she does, i wouldn't be so sure that other people are going to see the same thing that you or anyone else does.

i thought john kerry destroyed bush during every debate. i thought obama destroyed all of his opponents except for that one debate against romney where he took a bunch of horse tranquilizers beforehand. and clinton destroyed trump during all the debates, at least on matters of substance. but that doesn't reflect the conclusions that everyone else drew, and even if it did, that didn't reflect election results.

also, biden pretty handily humiliated paul ryan, fwiw

also, biden pretty handily humiliated paul ryan, fwiw

his indisputably great public momen

Biden was good in the VP debates, I'm not sure why everyone suddenly believes he's going to answer every question with "ME LIKE BOOBS"

biden is going to be genial and say nothing and the majority of the baby boomer dem registered voters are going to like it

Well, Biden was facing substance-free scam artists whom the media were treating like serious people, and wasn’t really being confronted about his own record, more about Obama’s policies.

and what's changed?

That label only applies to 85% of the field now!

pols not answering questions: ALERT THE MEDIA

really hope she got the DNA gaffes outta her system, Warren stans

"A few cunning people who fear progress will try to give you new and strange names for what we're doing. Sometimes they will call it...socialism...But in so doing they are trying to make very complex and feel radical something that is really very simple and very practical" - FDR pic.twitter.com/DKOLhPTrSL

— Zaid Jilani (@ZaidJilani) June 12, 2019

only Biden quote i remember from past debates was the low-hanging fruit reRudy: "a noun, a verb, 9/11"

but that might not have been a debate?

Pro Bernie over here - I don't have a problem with co-opting the word socialism, as its essentially lost al meaning anyway so why not? But yeah I don't think that answer on Chris Hayes clip above was good, too much time spent talking about a term, who cares?

No issue with the repetition in general though. Is it annoying if you're seeing and hearing him every day? Sure! But the people who aren't seeing and hearing him every day are far more important

pols not answering questions: ALERT THE MEDIA

He's had four years to answer this question

isn't bernie's non-answer just standard media training? there are very few ways, maybe none, that he can answer that question that are going to result in him advancing his message, and a lot of ways it could go wrong

yeah but we have it in for him

really hope she got the DNA gaffes outta her system, Warren stans

That was like a year and a half ago. Only you and Trump still remember. Try to keep up.

i wouldn't be so sure that warren (or anyone else) is going to destroy biden during debates. and if she does, i wouldn't be so sure that other people are going to see the same thing that you or anyone else does.

I don't think she's going to go into a debate with Biden looking to "destroy Biden." The videos I've seen of her speeches show her doing a really, really good job of selling her message to the audience, and seeming relatable and appealing on a personal level. I expect her to focus on that, and allow the contrast between her focused, thought-through plans for the future and Biden's hazy dream of comity to be crystal clear all on its own.

Biden was good in the VP debates, I'm not sure why everyone suddenly believes he's going to answer every question with "ME LIKE BOOBS"

― brigadier pudding (DJP), Friday, June 14, 2019 2:26 PM (fifty-two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

might be a big boost to his chances in the general if he did