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oh for fucks sake, it wont let me switch to root, because it doesnt like my password.

maybe i should take up some kind of outdoor pursuit instead, like tennis

charltonlido (gareth), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 19:31 (twenty years ago)

so, ok, if i abandon this idea, how do i automount?

Sorry, I can't help you on that one.

porn

Good point.

A friend of mine kept a roll of "ASCII"-art porn in his desk drawer for thirty years. It was a telex print test file that a telex engineer had given him just after he'd started, when he was a teenager.

(it wasn't actually ASCII art, because Telexes - ones on the British telex system, anyway - weren't ASCII; they used 5-bit Baudot code)

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 19:38 (twenty years ago)

wow :D

Fight the Real Enemy -- Tasti D-Lite (ex machina), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 19:41 (twenty years ago)

Gareth, ask the question at macosxhints.com you will get an authoratitive answer.

Running gui apps remotely (through x11, citrix or whatever) has the potential to reduce our software licencing costs significantly. We only need 1 licence of loads of infrequently used but important apps to support all the users who need to use them. Plus we can concentrate all of the computing power in one place, office desktops are over specced for the use they are put to. We reckon we can service our productivity needs with two dual xeon servers, we need more power we upgrade or add to the servers, not to the desks.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 19:41 (twenty years ago)

Interesting.... I would think that Citrix or rdesktop or vnc would be better than X11 for that.

Fight the Real Enemy -- Tasti D-Lite (ex machina), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 19:44 (twenty years ago)

They're still mechanisms for running graphical apps remotely, which you said was completely unnecessary.

There are an awful lot of graphical programs - mostly Windows ones - that I have to control remotely; to avoid going through to the server room, or to avoid a 50-mile drive. I wish there was a more flexible way to control remote applications on Windows, rather than using one of those entire-desktop mechanisms.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 19:48 (twenty years ago)

yes it appears to be smb/cifs, whatever that is

i'll ask it on that machints site tomorrow, i had thought this mounting business would be easy, i have to admit.

charltonlido (gareth), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 21:03 (twenty years ago)

its strange though, i had forgotten how computers can make a feeling of anger, at own inability, to do a simple thing

charltonlido (gareth), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 21:04 (twenty years ago)

i think i would like to throw the computer on the floor

perhaps, it would be better if i went to bed

charltonlido (gareth), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 21:05 (twenty years ago)

I have no need for forwarding X11 GUI apps, I just need a console, but the stupid job despatch system insists on giving you back an xterm, hence the need to forward :(

(many xposts)

steal compass, drive north, disappear (tissp), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 21:07 (twenty years ago)

it appears to be smb/cifs, whatever that is

It's the Windows filesharing protocol.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 6 April 2006 04:55 (twenty years ago)

They're still mechanisms for running graphical apps remotely, which you said was completely unnecessary.

EXCEPT IF YOU USE STUPID APPS

X11 is a bitch

Fight the Real Enemy -- Tasti D-Lite (ex machina), Thursday, 6 April 2006 05:10 (twenty years ago)

Yes, well. ALL software is shit in one way or another.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 6 April 2006 05:29 (twenty years ago)

except perl

Fight the Real Enemy -- Tasti D-Lite (ex machina), Thursday, 6 April 2006 05:43 (twenty years ago)

Oh no, perl is shit in lots of ways too. But it has enough good points to make up for it.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 6 April 2006 06:08 (twenty years ago)

they just told me to use diskutil:/

thing is, if i mount my mp3 player, like this

diskutil mount /dev/disk1s1 /Volumes/JUKEBOX

it works fine, but the same syntax for the lacie, doesnt

diskutil mount //WORKGROUP;music@LACIE/MUSIC /Volumes/WORKGROUP;LACIE

charltonlido (gareth), Thursday, 6 April 2006 06:22 (twenty years ago)

or

diskutil mount //WORKGROUP;music@LACIE/MUSIC /Volumes/MUSIC

its all this workgroup business, that seems to be confusing things, well, confusing me

charltonlido (gareth), Thursday, 6 April 2006 06:26 (twenty years ago)

See, I'd expect you to have to pass the workgroup/username information as a separate option.

I take it that the hostname is "LACIE", the workgroup/domain is "WORKGROUP" and the username is "music". In that case, if we were talking the Linux version of mount, the command would be:

mount -t smbfs -o "username=WORKGROUP/music" //LACIE/MUSIC /Volumes/MUSIC

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 6 April 2006 06:30 (twenty years ago)

well, nearly!

i try this

$ mount -t smbfs //LACIE/MUSIC /Volumes/MUSIC

it asks me for a password, which i give, then it gives me

mount_smbfs: mount error: /Volumes/MUSIC: syserr = Resource busy

charltonlido (gareth), Thursday, 6 April 2006 06:46 (twenty years ago)

also, it asks me for a password, but not a username, and there are multiple usernames for this drive

charltonlido (gareth), Thursday, 6 April 2006 06:57 (twenty years ago)

Ah.

Try putting -o "username=[...]" after the -t smbfs option.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 6 April 2006 06:58 (twenty years ago)

no, i tried that, doesnt like it

charltonlido (gareth), Thursday, 6 April 2006 07:03 (twenty years ago)

option not supported

charltonlido (gareth), Thursday, 6 April 2006 07:03 (twenty years ago)

Bah.

Does 'man mount' have a section for smb/cifs-specific options? Is there a separate 'smbmount' command with its own manual page?

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 6 April 2006 07:09 (twenty years ago)

it...works!

i have to make the directory first, it seems. is this really right?

so, it goes

mkdir /Volumes/MUSIC

mount -t smbfs //LACIE/MUSIC /Volumes/MUSIC

and it mounts:)

charltonlido (gareth), Thursday, 6 April 2006 09:42 (twenty years ago)

i have to make the directory first, it seems. is this really right?

Yes. You only have to do it once, of course.

If you put files in the directory when the remote disk isn't mounted, they will be inaccessible when it is.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 6 April 2006 09:51 (twenty years ago)

oh i see, the drive was never there in the first place!

though, how come, i didnt need to do this for the archos mp3 player?

and, why did i have to use diskutil mount for the archos, and just plain ol' mount for the lacie?

charltonlido (gareth), Thursday, 6 April 2006 09:57 (twenty years ago)

The mp3 player presents itself to the system as a type of disk. The lacie box doesn't - it is visible as a computer with shared folders.

I don't know why one needs diskutil, but it's probably because of the access permissions on the device node (the "/dev/disk1s1" file)

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 6 April 2006 11:11 (twenty years ago)

Also if you want a command with a semi colon in it to execute you have to escape or quote it.

I don't know why one needs diskutil, but it's probably because of the access permissions on the device node (the "/dev/disk1s1" file)

BECUZ OS X DOESN'T USE FSTAB

Fight the Real Enemy -- Tasti D-Lite (ex machina), Thursday, 6 April 2006 14:43 (twenty years ago)

That's irrelevant.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 6 April 2006 14:47 (twenty years ago)

(mount doesn't use fstab at all anyway if you specify both the device and mountpoint, so neither of those commands would face fstab-related issues.)

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 6 April 2006 14:51 (twenty years ago)

Hey all,

I'm using Sarah's laptop to post this as I seem to have a pretty sever problem with mine. When I boot up, the internet works for a couple of minutes at a snail's pace before crunching to a halt. The wireless connection seems fine; Sarah's PC works okay, and even mine says the connection is excellent. So why are AIM, firefox, MSN and IE all having the same problem? Literally after a minute or two, they just don't connect any more.

The troubleshooting sections are useless because, as far as I know, no settings or whatever have been changed. My only possible thought is hat I knocked the (closed) laptop off the table onto the carpet a couple of days ago, though it *has* worked fine since then.

So what could be wrong with these browsers, crawling for a very short while before dying? Help desperately sought!

Mark C on sgs's machine (sgs), Thursday, 6 April 2006 20:16 (twenty years ago)

Gah. It's not even working for a short while now. I hate this - it's so much more evil when you can't put your finger on the problem.

Mark gain (sgs), Thursday, 6 April 2006 20:40 (twenty years ago)

maybe your computer has been hijacked and all the bandwidth is being used for nefarious purposes?

Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 6 April 2006 20:45 (twenty years ago)

Maybe... but my virus/spyware thingy should be able to tell, right? And the connection doesn't show lots of packets being sent or received - just static, unmoving nothingness.

sgs (sgs), Thursday, 6 April 2006 20:48 (twenty years ago)

If you open up task manager (CTRL-SHIFT-ESC) and look at the networking tab, you'll see what activity is going on. Is the CPU going crazy too? Is it just internet access that's slow or is everything else slow too?

KeefW (kmw), Thursday, 6 April 2006 21:01 (twenty years ago)

Hey Keith! No, nothing is going mental.

Hmm - I have accessed a neighbour's unsecured wireless network and IT WORKS. That's interesting. I am going to try going back to mine...

Mark (sgs), Thursday, 6 April 2006 21:06 (twenty years ago)

Hi Mark,

What a kind neighbour. To be honest, your problem sounds like mine, but what's puzzling is that your computer works. What model is the wireless router and what's the ISP? That's my problem (one of them; it's not clear which).

KeefW (kmw), Thursday, 6 April 2006 21:08 (twenty years ago)

okay, now that one has disconnected (but it's strength is low so...) and I am reconnected to mine, but again, no actual internet and no action at all in that "networking" tab in the task manager.

Oh god, I don't know the wireless router model - it's in the bedroom and Sarah is asleep. However, as you can tell this (i.e. her) PC works just fine, so I'm not sure it can be the router's or the ISP's fault!

Mark (sgs), Thursday, 6 April 2006 21:10 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, it's certainly very odd. Can't think of anything else obvious off the top of my head, but I'll give it some thought. Maybe Deano will have an idea.

KeefW (kmw), Thursday, 6 April 2006 21:14 (twenty years ago)

Every now and again a few bytes of internet wil get through, which is even weirder. The whole thing seems screwed!

I also notice Sarah's PC, while working okay, isn't exactly fast tonight. Could there be any connection?

Mark (sgs), Thursday, 6 April 2006 22:02 (twenty years ago)

(mount doesn't use fstab at all anyway if you specify both the device and mountpoint, so neither of those commands would face fstab-related issues.)

The full set of options used by an invocation of mount is determined by
first extracting the options for the file system from the fstab table,
then applying any options specified by the -o argument, and finally
applying a -r or -w option, when present.

LOL PWNED (ex machina), Thursday, 6 April 2006 22:16 (twenty years ago)

Anyway, apple just wanted to put all the disk/volume management shit in a single command i wager

LOL PWNED (ex machina), Thursday, 6 April 2006 22:16 (twenty years ago)

Could be, but I still think it's likely to be because of the device node permissions too.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Friday, 7 April 2006 05:29 (twenty years ago)

(deano doesn't do wireless and / or broadband, he is a wired, dialup kinda guy. or any versions of windows past 98 for that matter. he is firmly stuck in the mid 90s.)

koogs (koogs), Friday, 7 April 2006 06:40 (twenty years ago)

BECUZ OS X DOESN'T USE FSTAB

oh! i was just coming to ask about this! so, instead of using fstab to automount, how should i do it?

charltonlido (gareth), Friday, 7 April 2006 12:35 (twenty years ago)

oh for fucks sake, it wont let me switch to root, because it doesnt like my password.

sudo bash.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 7 April 2006 13:45 (twenty years ago)

charlton I'm sure macosxhints.com has some info. You can also put shortcuts to network volumes in startup items...

Fight the Real Enemy -- Tasti D-Lite (ex machina), Friday, 7 April 2006 15:41 (twenty years ago)

Still confused Mark, but if the PC's exhibiting problems, then the router/ISP thing might have something to do with it. I have a Netgear DG834GT that UK Online forced me to buy and certainly it or them is my problem. They haven't replied to my email of a week ago yet. It does exhibit similar symptoms to you, but on both my machines equally.

Never mind Deano: I'll bear that in mind if I have any X.25 issues in future. In the mid '90s weren't you firmly rooted in the mid '80s?

KeefW (kmw), Friday, 7 April 2006 16:22 (twenty years ago)

Thanks Keith - your posts were like manna in my hour of need last night. I'll try it out again this evening and if iut's still screwed I'll try reinstalling, rebooting, just turning shit on and off and seeing what happens.

Down in London soon, by any chance?

Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 7 April 2006 16:32 (twenty years ago)


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