The car's on fire and there's no driver at the wheel - The Tory leadership elections

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I think dead churchy mainly had his moment because post Munich '38 it was felt that rich big business pols had their time and fucked everything up and he was more of a national candidate, so in that respect a shameless shill like Chuka is quite the opposite of Churchillian!

calzino, Friday, 14 June 2019 13:12 (seven years ago)

the name dead churchy has reminded me that earlier today while editing i discovered what some of you young uns doubtless know, which is there is an irish producer called "famous eno", so not everything is bad not good

mark s, Friday, 14 June 2019 13:18 (seven years ago)

MR famous eno

shhh / let peaceful like things (wins), Friday, 14 June 2019 13:21 (seven years ago)

he's great! All Good FM is one of my personal summer classics, but i think maybe 4 other people have ever heard it

Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 14 June 2019 13:23 (seven years ago)

The name dead churchy reminds me that Winston Churchill is dead, and that in of itself is good.

stress tweeting (gyac), Friday, 14 June 2019 13:25 (seven years ago)

"That said, people reacting to that tweet as 'omfg the mask is finally off' are clowning themselves, and I am happy to help."

Nobody screamed OMFG. I actually just linked to that pathetic tweet, and there was only a couple of posts on it.

Do get over yourself - and I hope you can find a better source of news.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 14 June 2019 14:53 (seven years ago)

I am clowning myself by *checks notes* wondering whether someone who constantly fawns over Tories might be doing something a bit questionable by hanging out with a pro-apartheid group?

Oh and btw she didn’t doxx the Hillsborough campaigner, but if you’re going to lean on “her address was public!” when a) public in this case didn’t mean on the internet and b) the long and awful history of cops et al surveilling Hillsborough campaigners, then....😬

stress tweeting (gyac), Friday, 14 June 2019 16:38 (seven years ago)

A real person

EXCLUSIVE Grow up and stop calling me the c-word live on air, Jeremy Hunt tells broadcasters  https://t.co/7UiNPLEXeh via @Telegraph

— Christopher Hope📝 (@christopherhope) June 13, 2019

stress tweeting (gyac), Friday, 14 June 2019 17:16 (seven years ago)

further proof that speaking cunt’s true name saps his dark power

RUSSIA’S SEXIEST POKER STAR ELECTROCUTED BY HAIRDRYER (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 14 June 2019 17:22 (seven years ago)

Which of the six is Demogorgon?

pomenitul, Friday, 14 June 2019 17:27 (seven years ago)

His two heads have individual minds, called Aameul (the left head) and Hethradiah (the right head). One of Demogorgon's best-kept secrets, even from his cultists and minions, is that his two personas strive to dominate (and even kill) each other, but are unable to because they are aspects of one another. Despite this duality, many of Demogorgon's plots revolve around either permanently separating or uniting these two personas.


Is clearly


Boris Johnson said Britain’s continued membership of the EU would be a “boon for the world and for Europe” in an unpublished newspaper column in which he wrestles with his decision to back or oppose Brexit.
The foreign secretary has since insisted the column was intended merely as a tool for his own thought process, calling it “semi-parodic” in tone.
In a Telegraph article, written days before a published version in which he backed leaving, Johnson wrote of the EU: “This is a market on our doorstep, ready for further exploitation by British firms. The membership fee seems rather small for all that access. Why are we so determined to turn our back on it?”

stress tweeting (gyac), Friday, 14 June 2019 17:36 (seven years ago)

You've swayed me.

pomenitul, Friday, 14 June 2019 17:39 (seven years ago)

the johnson clan look like a david peace nightmare spliced from the dna of jimmy savile and bernard ingram https://t.co/vSu369NfBF

— MT PAGE™ (@theemptypage_) June 14, 2019

calzino, Friday, 14 June 2019 19:52 (seven years ago)

a second weekend of tory drug revelations

mark s, Friday, 14 June 2019 20:00 (seven years ago)

Strong and stable, mate.

John Harris is a Guardian columnist (Tom D.), Friday, 14 June 2019 20:05 (seven years ago)

Are these new drug revelations? Please précis.

suzy, Friday, 14 June 2019 20:08 (seven years ago)

"i bin stoned before"
"the cheese delirium"
"squeezing spongea over policeman's head"

(the last is more a bullingdon thing i think)

mark s, Friday, 14 June 2019 20:11 (seven years ago)

Boris, "I deeply regret my use of camembert".

John Harris is a Guardian columnist (Tom D.), Friday, 14 June 2019 20:11 (seven years ago)

he's great! All Good FM is one of my personal summer classics, but i think maybe 4 other people have ever heard it


Five, I knew there was a reason I read these threads

El Tomboto, Friday, 14 June 2019 22:36 (seven years ago)

Well this has come around again:

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2019/jun/15/nazanin-zaghari-ratcliffe-husband-join-hunger-strike

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 15 June 2019 13:11 (seven years ago)

war is good guys

||||||||, Saturday, 15 June 2019 17:05 (seven years ago)

I am very intelligent

||||||||, Saturday, 15 June 2019 17:05 (seven years ago)

Can't afford to look soft during a Tory leadership race:

Sajid Javid urged to intervene as the Home Office plans to deport a grieving 11-year-old orphan, who has lived here almost all of his life, to a country he doesn't remember https://t.co/VJznKXjGt9

— liane gomersall (@ligomersall) June 15, 2019

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 16 June 2019 08:10 (seven years ago)

jfc maybe we're not killing the right MPs

Oy McVey (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 16 June 2019 08:57 (seven years ago)

Another thing about May is how she has perhaps set new standards for cruelty towards migrants. Others can only match it now.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 16 June 2019 09:11 (seven years ago)

As a first requirement..

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 16 June 2019 09:18 (seven years ago)

srsly anybody who collaborates at any stage in this process i don't know how they can live with themselves

Oy McVey (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 16 June 2019 09:20 (seven years ago)

Totally, just want to burn the home office down.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 16 June 2019 09:23 (seven years ago)

"jfc maybe we're not killing the right MPs"

was listening to some glib rinse earlier on 5live about how we need to be nicer to pols, throwing milkshakes is violence, we've got more in common that than what divides us... zzzzz .. nothing learned from her own sister getting murdered other than we need more "nice" moderates in politics.. hmm let me think how much moderates have done to prevent millions of people having nothing in common or hostile environment.

calzino, Sunday, 16 June 2019 09:26 (seven years ago)

I tell you what, let's all protest about Donald Trump and completely ignore all the shit that's going on in our own backyards.

John Harris is a Guardian columnist (Tom D.), Sunday, 16 June 2019 09:39 (seven years ago)

they often have these "more in common" great get togethers up the road from me. So poor people suffering from UC sanctions or delayed payments etc can get to meet the smug middle class prick who donated that packet of sainsburys brand penne they got from the foodbank and show some good ol' community cohesion!

calzino, Sunday, 16 June 2019 09:53 (seven years ago)

NEW Rory Stewart: 50,000 people could get a phone call to ask them to sort out Brexit, like jury service. #Marr

— Christopher Hope📝 (@christopherhope) June 16, 2019

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 16 June 2019 10:25 (seven years ago)

"press 1 for Norway option..

so it looks like one of Gove/Hunt against Boris on the final ballot.

calzino, Sunday, 16 June 2019 10:43 (seven years ago)

Hunt, surely.

John Harris is a Guardian columnist (Tom D.), Sunday, 16 June 2019 11:00 (seven years ago)

I'm not so sure it's necessarily going to be Hunt. A lot depends on whether the Stop Boris brigade conclude their interests are going to be best served by having a committed Brexiter face off against Johnson in the final two, rather than a former Remainer who could be too easily caricatured as May pt II. Gove is probably *slightly* more likely to beat Johnson than Hunt in a contest where blandness really isn't seen as a good thing, but I think on balance he's probably fucked it.

There are currently 50 spare Parliamentary votes up for grabs, more if there are other withdrawals. I'm assuming Rory Stewart lacks the humility to quit but things don't appear to proceeding according to plan for the Saj or Dominic Raab. The latter's votes would probably go straight to Johnson in any case, but a draining away of Javid's remaining support would boost one of the other candidates.

Johnson is too far ahead to be touched now but the picture could change heavily for the others.

Matt DC, Sunday, 16 June 2019 11:48 (seven years ago)

It's possible that Raab might make up some ground by presenting himself as the real Brexit hardman when Johnson is empty-chaired in the C4 debate but fuck actually watching it to find out.

Matt DC, Sunday, 16 June 2019 11:50 (seven years ago)

"..lets let 50000 schools of thought contend/flowers bloom etc... and if they are nearly all headbangers . well we'll try again!"

calzino, Sunday, 16 June 2019 11:59 (seven years ago)

That is the worst thing ever pic.twitter.com/iHAxb8yiNw

— John Blundell (@johnblundell993) June 16, 2019

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 16 June 2019 12:00 (seven years ago)

HE DRINKS A LAAGER DRINK

mark s, Sunday, 16 June 2019 12:05 (seven years ago)

bantz heuristic has always taken me to hunt but gove is certainly putting good work in these last few days tbrr :(

mark s, Sunday, 16 June 2019 12:05 (seven years ago)

Johnson is too far ahead to be touched now but the picture could change heavily for the others.

― Matt DC,

Does Johnson being this far ahead change calculations for backers that they can afford for some of them to peel off and support Raab, to game the final two?

Also I've no idea how relevant this is

Want to hear what Torbay (63% Leave, 14,283 Conservative majority) thinks of Boris Johnson? Listen from 1min55 onwards... 👂🏾👂🏾👂🏾 https://t.co/MDdo4Vb0k0

— Ash Sarkar (@AyoCaesar) June 15, 2019

thats pretty loud cheering for Ash's criticisms of Boris in a heavy leave/Tory area - but I've no idea how representative the audience are

anvil, Sunday, 16 June 2019 12:10 (seven years ago)

most of those cheering don't have a vote in the leadership contest: part of my argument that boris can't become tory leader has been that the tory party has historically been very good at adapting to survive and boris-as-leader will wreck it, and the party knows this

but i think may's time in office has very badly damaged tory adaptive mechanisms though (the damage is still semi-invisible: but boris being chosen is a key symptom)

mark s, Sunday, 16 June 2019 12:16 (seven years ago)

The crowd reactions in that recording are a tonic

Simon H., Sunday, 16 June 2019 12:40 (seven years ago)

I am clowning myself by *checks notes* wondering whether someone who constantly fawns over Tories might be doing something a bit questionable by hanging out with a pro-apartheid group?

No, that's not what I'm saying at all.

(I have no particular desire to be Cap'n Save-a-The-Freedom-Association, but "their dads were probably pro-apartheid back when it was the position of half of the cabinet" is closer to the mark, AFAIK)

I mean the idea that this is all a game to her - which I don't believe. For example:

tee-hee-heeing about politics that cast people into misery and sometimes death

That'd be pretty serious, but I've not seen it.

Andrew Farrell, Sunday, 16 June 2019 12:40 (seven years ago)

most of those cheering don't have a vote in the leadership contest: part of my argument that boris can't become tory leader has been that the tory party has historically been very good at adapting to survive and boris-as-leader will wreck it, and the party knows this

First - are the reactions relevant in any way? Does it make a difference any difference that they are reacting like that?

Second - does Boris-as-leader wreck it while Farage is a force? Aren't they kind of hemmed in? How do they see off the Farage threat without Boris or similar?

anvil, Sunday, 16 June 2019 12:48 (seven years ago)

Idle thoughts department: wondering if Stanley Johnson was on an expat salary package in Brussels that paid for his sons’ Eton College fees.

suzy, Sunday, 16 June 2019 12:49 (seven years ago)


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