2020 Democratic presidential primary

Especially abrams. She should be a senator.

i want to hear each of the candidates scream their fucking guts out, a real neighborhood-shaking primal scream

the rising seawater will be the surprise action finale of debate #2

Will there be seawater in the Negronis is my question.

I use a drop of Italicus; beyond that, my mixology secrets I don't share.

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Biden mentions that Trump made fun of him for “abandoning” Scranton.

“I was nine years old. I guess that’s how he feels about the kids coming across the border. They’re nine years old, they should say, mom, leave me behind!”

This gets mixed laughter and he moves on.

— Dave Weigel (@daveweigel) June 11, 2019

The Economist/YouGov Poll June 9 - 11, 2019

26% Biden
16% Warren
12% Sanders
8% Buttigieg
6% Harris
3% O’Rourke
2% Booker
1% Bennet, Castro, de Blasio, Gillibrand, Inslee, Klobuchar, Swalwell, Yang
0% Bullock, Delaney, Gabbard, Messam, Moulton, Ryan, Williamson

individual polls are almost meaningless

national polls of primaries are almost meaningless

individual national polls of primaries are ...

de blasio moving in the right direction I see

joe biden's base

Scoop — Howard Schultz held a meeting with staff today and annonced he was essentially letting them all go (except those in senior leadership). He might relaunch his campaign after Super Tuesday too if Biden isn’t the nominee https://t.co/jUYkTeYTRd

— Amanda Terkel (@aterkel) June 12, 2019

letting them all go (except those in senior leadership)

those guaranteed 'personal services' contracts == making money while they sleep.

I'm pretty certain a "new frontrunner" will be anointed after the first debate (and possibly after both 1A and 1B)

The Democratic National Committee is set to announce the candidates who qualified for the first debates of the 2020 presidential campaign on Thursday, chopping the historically large field of 23 contenders down to the 20 available slots.

A New York Times analysis of the criteria indicates that Gov. Steve Bullock of Montana, Representative Seth Moulton of Massachusetts and Mayor Wayne Messam of Miramar, Fla., did not qualify, and will be left out of the debates on June 26 and 27 in Miami.

The candidates who made the cut — a full list appears at the end of this article — did so by registering 1 percent support in three polls, receiving donations from 65,000 people, or both.

I guess if they set that bar any higher the candidates run the risk of barking their shins.

Mayor Wayne Messam

so sneaky to include a fake guy in a real news article

of Miramar, Fla.

they even invented a fake city!

de Blasio hadda be #20

lol @ Seth Moulton

(he is a decent representative and should remain a representative)

Thing i would love to see that will never happen but would hopefully end all this for the better: Sanders should voluntarily drop out with the proviso that he is committing to a ticket as veep to Warren.

why the veep thing, is that for him or for us?

Gravel also failed to make the cut, fwiw.

Bernie should stay in as long as possible so that together he and Warren can set the policy standards and pull Biden or Harris or whichever centrist prevails in their direction.

Anyway I know we've done this a thousand times here but neither of them is going to pick the *other* New England progressive from the Senate. It doesn't add any votes to the ticket.

xp as a general act of clearing the way for a female candidate, so both? And as a statement that they would both be committing their full intellectual and financial resources to a workable ticket for change instead of bickering about who gets to hold the rudder. it's a better narrative than anyone else has forwarded at this point imo
i agree that it doesn't present a broader ticket but anyone voting in 2020 is voting for or against trump full stop.

I mean he doesn't need to be a running mate to do all those things. Whichever of them is behind the other after March 10th should drop out.

how about this for narrative... Warren wants to fix 21st-c capitalism, Sanders knows that's too 'incremental.'

They're not identical ideologically.

Yeah, Warren's ultimate long-term goal is to fix the parts of capitalism most likely to cause its collapse, so it can continue exploiting people at a more sustainable pace. The ultimate long-term goal of Bernie and his movement is to transcend capitalism entirely.

Warren's ultimate long-term goal is to fix the parts of capitalism most likely to cause its collapse, so it can continue exploiting people at a more sustainable pace

i'm pretty sure the second half of that is not her goal. but yes, she believes it can repaired.

Sounds like projection. AFICT, Bernie is a social democrat in much the way Swedish social democrats are. Capitalism is alive and well in Stockholm, but there a consensus that it exists to improve general welfare, not to create a hereditary plutocracy.

i think there is probably a reason that warren and sanders generally support each other's agendas

I tend to think that Sanders presents a social democratic agenda to the public because he sees that as the most feasible route to mitigate capitalism on the way to socialism. Whether or not that's the case, the DSA and other socialist orgs are 100% behind him, and their goal is absolutely to end capitalism. This matters because Bernie is currently running explicitly as part of that movement. He believes that his agenda can only be passed if he has a mass movement behind him, and his campaign's statements and actions have consistently reflected that.

NEWS - the Democratic debate groups

PURPLE: bernie, harris, biden, buttigieg, bennet, williamson, swalwell gillibrand, yang, hickenlooper

ORANGE: booker, warren, beto, klobuchar, delaney, tulsi, castro, ryan, de blasio, Inslee

NBC will now decide which night goes first

— Reid J. Epstein (@reidepstein) June 14, 2019

fuck that

how else should it be grouped? the likely candidates in one group and the ones failing upward in the other? or all 20 on one stage?

I don’t know if there was any good way to organize these debates given the number of useless dipshits involved but this looks terrible.

basically the orange group looks like the kids table with Warren dropped in

Nbc is giving bernie a chance to slaughter half the fiwld and warren the chance to clobber the other half. Then the real primaries can begin when the superfluous candidates are out of the way.

xpost in other words, biden is smiling

basically the orange group looks like the kids table with Warren dropped in

on the plus side, this should allow her to hog more of the attention

look fwd to Bern owning Biden, Harris and Empty Pete

I'm sure Warren can dominate those minor leaguers in her pool

many xposts:if sanders becomes pres, and let's say for this thought experiment he controls both houses and brings the dems to heel and can pass shit, id imagine the internal contradiction between his socialist rhetoric and his liberal policies may become an issue.

it is, in a way quite analogous with corbyn, whose manifesto for the GE was not partic socialist, interesting the way that their bonafides and history as dudes on the left gives them credibility in the eyes of people far to the left of their stated policies (obviously not all of them, there are plenty of leftists who are not interested in this incrementalism, both within dsa and within the orbit of say jacobin - jacobin's journal catalyst had an editorial wrangle that the ousted dr bob brenner blamed on his commitment to revolutionary politics vs sanders style doc dem stuff)

Yeah, I just feel like no one will pay attention to the orange debate.

Nobody is going to pay attention to either of them

We’re 9 months from Super Tuesday, this is a meat market for consultants and activists to pick teams

a lot of people are going to pay attention to both of them

Glad to see such cohesion and unity

If Warren can't dominate that stage she's in trouble

you would think, but it turns out that the Orange debate will be held on a dusty road by a pickup truck, and beto is packing his tight jeans

shirts vs skins