Seizing back control: The ILX lol brexit is how we're all gonna die thread.

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The fat controller stood and watched as thomas the tank engine, ever helpful, carted all of his political enemies off to the labour camps. pic.twitter.com/lwYMmD7p0z

— bails (@backupbaileyboi) April 26, 2019

*chef's kisses*

thomas the tank engine characters and their political alignments:

thomas - centrist
edward - alt centrist
henry - socialist/depressed
gordon - authoritarian left
james - maoist
percy - cameron tory
toby - old money tory
annie and clarabel - anarchist
fat controller - fash

— a a dril (@demarionunn) November 25, 2018

Just retweeted in tribute. A good version of the mario bros characters one.

I've not really seen much from LBD

I'd never heard of them till *checks thread* 16:56 yesterday.

they did that poster of a pre-Brexit party Farage tweet stating the NHS should be replaced by a US style private insurance system. I thought that was good because part of his recent polling success has been because no-one has heard any of his terrible politics for ages and one-issuedom is the easiest game in town for a party.

but just about everything else I've seen by LBD has been a waste of time and space.

They set up a crowdfunding appeal with a target of £10,000. It was reached within three hours. “We increased it to £50,000, and we’d hit that by the next morning,” said Stewart. By the middle of last week, they had raised £438,704...

A 40x20 metre banner, weighing 160kg, was made in just five days at a cost of £12,000. Hiring a helicopter for an hour to photograph it cost another £5,000...

brexit is the ultimate grift

they did that poster of a pre-Brexit party Farage tweet stating the NHS should be replaced by a US style private insurance system. I thought that was good because part of his recent polling success has been because no-one has heard any of his terrible politics for ages and one-issuedom is the easiest game in town for a party.

Even this though, eg whats to stop me thinking 'ok but I'm only going to vote Farage until I get Brexit and then I'll vote for Labour". Even if this convinces them Farage himself is bad.....there's nothing to say why Brexit is bad.

This seems the big mistake currently with these so called victories against Farage, Shapiro, Widdecombe, or whoever else. Its all on the representative not the project, they're happy to take those hits, its validation while the project remains safe

I like the basic principle of presenting facts in this way. There's a lot of room for improvement. The Johnson video was a useful reminder to me that he'd said that about Trump but yeah I don't see LBD's approach really changing minds on its own.

See also Save Our Democracy videos on YouTube narrated by Stephen Fry. They're well made and I'm glad they exist. Er, that's it.

The problem with this approach is it’s from the same school of thought as “Nick Griffin made a fool of himself on QT!” which ignores that there is no such thing as bad publicity for these guys in 99% of cases.

That US ambassador has probably done more to set back the cause of hard Brexit than a thousand jaunty moustachioed ukelele chaps in rubber masks.

their whole we started this in a pub thing is a bit annoying

Especially as they broke into a rousing acoustic version of Electric Dreams afterwards

when geezersthetics goes bad

"goes"

when geezersthetics breaks bad

Think LBD will be seen by brexiteers as an elitist thing. It creates a divide between those who "get it" and those who don't, where those who don't should be the ones who do get it, but aren't. And the people they're trying to reach or convince will not want to get it. It'll be dismissed as Europhile/Labour/Commie trite.

The problem with this approach is it’s from the same school of thought as “Nick Griffin made a fool of himself on QT!” which ignores that there is no such thing as bad publicity for these guys in 99% of cases.

Strange that Nick Griffin was part of the 1%.

not sure you could attribute the TV appearance to a downturn in Nick Griffin's fortunes but rather being outflanked by a new wave of fascists with better PR

I'd fully respect LBD if they put up a "I've seen molluscs with more sentience and intelligence than you thick as fuck sub-human plebeians - stop voting and kill yourselves" poster at a prominent spot in Hartlepool.

https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/5d21220b158e7682b73d8d80a9cd518e8f7c9979/0_0_5760_3840/master/5760.jpg?width=860&quality=85&auto=format&fit=max&s=8a026a91a7e0552efdab59bdfafc6260

'he didn't tweet it, he actually said it!' which is er why we presented it as a tweet for some reason i dunno willthisdo

https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/5d21220b158e7682b73d8d80a9cd518e8f7c9979/0_0_5760_3840/master/5760.jpg?width=860&quality=85&auto=format&fit=max&s=8a026a91a7e0552efdab59bdfafc6260

the thing that's really fucking awful about the uss john s mccain stuff is that mccain was an genuine monster who did more actual damage to america (including incinerating a bunch of his crewmates on an aircraft carrier in vietnam!) than trump has managed so far, so using him as a way to troll trump is... problematic imo

That's a bit far - as far as I'm aware John McCain has nominated 0 judges to the Supreme Court, for a start.

jfc that was embarrassing and it sort of highlights for me how lots of shitty professional politicians who are terrible right wing creatures themselves, can become heroes for a day by saying rude things to the wiggy KKK man.

arguably trump wouldn't be in office if it wasn't for mccain legitimising the idiot wing of the gop by running sarah palin for vp

They set up a crowdfunding appeal with a target of £10,000. It was reached within three hours. “We increased it to £50,000, and we’d hit that by the next morning,” said Stewart. By the middle of last week, they had raised £438,704...

A 40x20 metre banner, weighing 160kg, was made in just five days at a cost of £12,000. Hiring a helicopter for an hour to photograph it cost another £5,000...

brexit is the ultimate grift

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Buy yourselves a one way ticket to Barbados and forget this rainy fascist island you are rich now.

I don't care how many £millions this will cost, it needs to be done.

Nothing will make Trump cringe more than seeing George W Bush projected on to the surface of the Moon. pic.twitter.com/1Oy3EYXHLk

— Simon Hedges (@Orwell_Fan) June 4, 2019

Hedges nails it again, satirical cartoonist Matt are you listening

Strange that Nick Griffin was part of the 1%.

Santa: What would you like for Christmas, lad?
Boris: A Great Deal...
Santa: Forget it (opens lap, Boris drops to floor)

Going to be haunted by the image of Santa “opening his lap” now

lol! I was having problems thinking Santa might be a catholic priest.

c'mon kids, let's take a trip to lapland

Hard to imagine (and indeed prove) Griffin on QT made a real difference to the BNP vote share in either direction (complaints of bias against him vs the sheer incompetence of his performance) unlike Farage subsequently (who today did the inevitable whataboutery re Widdecombe and Muslims who are homophobic).

to go back to a 2-hour-old conversation, I am all for reminding people that various Brexity types a) would quite like to see the NHS sold off and b) said lots of things pre-ref which contradict the current "we survived WWII" No Deal = One True Brexit orthodoxy

it's just that Led By Donkeys don't seem (to me) to be very good at it

they pick equivocal/ambiguous quotes and lay them out in that ugly and confusing fake-tweet fashion with not much attribution, and their zingers with "what changed" in tiny text underneath just have an old quote about sunlit uplands and best ever deals without spelling out the contradictions so I dunno if it achieves any more than passers-by going "yeah sunlit uplands, renegotiate best ever deal while still planning for No Deal, I'm up for that" - or just ignoring it because boring white-background politics text, zzz

xp That said I did meet an elderly inlaw (at the time) who admitted to 'protest-voting' for them before 2015. He was curiously keen to let me in on this.

People who think or argue that Nick Griffin going on Question Time killed the BNP 🚮

Nick Griffin went on Question Time in Autumn 2009

Here are the votes the BNP got in the two general elections either side of that

2005 GE: 192,745 votes
2010 GE: 564,331 votes

Hope this helps

— Matt Zarb-Cousin (@mattzarb) August 2, 2018

Also, the tweet format is doubly strange considering most people in the UK aren’t on twitter (and idk why “they actually said it” is such a point they felt worth making? White guys from N16, I guess ¯\_(ツ)_/¯) and the John McCain thing was respectability politics at its finest.

Dunno if it's respectability politics so much, I don't get the "now there was a man you could respect!" thing you get from US libs so much in this, it's more that they neither know nor care who John McCain was, it's just a puerile "tiny hands!" thing to them.

it's like an idea that got rejected as even too lame for the infinitely lame John Oliver show.

This was definitely a thing that happened when he died though!

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/trump-uk-state-visit-protest-blimp-robot-toilet-queen-theresa-may-a8943141.html

This is quite good as a rationale for the march

robot toilet queen

im a monarchist now

5 resignations from change uk expected later

that's not resignations that's a whole breakaway party

nothing like schismatics for schisms

truly the mold has been broken