Seizing back control: The ILX lol brexit is how we're all gonna die thread.

I wish Labour’s soft Brexit punt had worked, and unified Leavers and Remainers so the left could focus on fixing our broken economy.

But it hasn’t. Brexit is polarised between No Deal/Remain, and now the compromise position is a second referendum. Corbyn should campaign for one. https://t.co/oEZikgM1Ta

— Ash Sarkar (@AyoCaesar) May 31, 2019

Sarkar and Owen Jones are jumping the gun on this.

And it's only going to get worse. From the tweets I have seen Brexit Party will win in Peterborough next week.

With Peterborough only a week ago, can see Sakar and Jones are jumping the gun - but then the question becomes "when would it not be jumping the gun?"

or, maybe, "is there no gun to jump?'

pierce penniless and ronan burtenshaw (in tribune, linked upthread) analyses seemed like the most level headed takes on the EU ELX

can see the LDs jumping into bed with the tories again, tories then argue sacrificing no deal is the price of giving the country a stable government and now is the time to bring the country together in the national interest. going to be extremely edifying watching the whole swathe of sensible commentariat applaud this pivot to soft brexit as grown up statesmanlike leadership

I mean, if they can post things like this now with a straight face...

My position is I voted remain but I lost. I would like a compromise deal to leave on the softest possible terms, preserving as much as we can of the value of membership while also leaving. There is no party remotely close to this view.

— Philip Collins (@PCollinsTimes) May 23, 2019

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Our next PM:

🚨 Jo Swinson, interviewed by the BBC, refuses to say the naughtiest thing she's ever done. "I had fun in my teenage years"

— Dan Bloom (@danbloom1) May 31, 2019

saying"fuck the disabled" numerous times in her 30's was pretty naughty.

I would like a compromise deal to leave on the softest possible terms, preserving as much as we can of the value of membership while also leaving. There is no party remotely close to this view.

yeah, it's almost like this isn't an option or something i dunno

idiots like him have cynically muddied the waters on labour policy for the past three years. coupled with the hard remain wing of the party signal boosting this performative confusion at all turns - this has led to the collapse of the centre on brexit that matt DC was talking about above. worryingly, however, the aggro remainers’ leaning into the culture war has polarised the debate so much that any second ref looks increasingly likely that it will be fought between no deal and no brexit.

considering that (1) the underlying causes which led to the brexit vote in the first place have not been addressed and (2) there’s nothing in the past however many years that suggests the sensible establishment centre are well equipped to fight a culture war against the faragist right... well, may god have mercy on our souls.

also get pete willsman to fuck

Completely fine with no deal vs no brexit, but strongly agree on your last sentiment.

You love to gamble don't you?

I mean, you're the one who wants a Labour government and Corbyn as the leader - both at the same time is fairly unlikely.

because of the latest YouGov poll?

I think it's as likely as a number of other scenarios.

https://www.markpack.org.uk/155623/voting-intention-opinion-poll-scorecard/

there is a round up of latest polls on this page and the YouGov one with crazy LibDem surge is an outlier, although some of them are a couple of weeks older which is a long time in ..etc..

I've seen the future and it hurts

LD support no-deal brexit in return for a plastic bottle deposit scheme.

— Alistair McCay (@AlistairMcCay) May 31, 2019

I'd expect a good chunk of Lab people to go Lib dem as I expect Tories to go to the Brexit party (or Lib dem if they are Tory Remainers). Nobody knows what the end of game of all this will be.

I don't see what potential electoral outcomes have to do with me saying how utterly inept it is to be 'fine' with a no deal Vs no Brexit vote.

Liverpool fans have renamed Margaret Thatcher Square in Madrid to Jeremy Corbyn Square. pic.twitter.com/4my8WdbJ9e

— George Aylett (@GeorgeAylett) May 31, 2019

Vince Cable Square surely?

Willsman suspended now.

Nice they had a printer with them. xpost

I’m fine with it being hillary vs trump. people will NOT vote for the obviously awful option

I don't think anyone reliant on things like painkillers and epilepsy meds would consider putting that option on a ref.

https://www.ituc-csi.org/general-strike-in-argentina-29May

Great news from Argentina. Need general strikes everywhere.

Rory Stewart has outlined plans to play for Liverpool as a late first half substitution tomorrow night, and again for Spurs in the second half, as part of a new grassroots campaign. There are plans to livestream both substitutions, and if things go well, a free kick. In the spirit of spontaneity, Stewart has not yet revealed which corner he will be scoring in, or for which team.

"if anyone is around and wants to talk i'll be at the Wanda Metropolitano Stadium" he said.

Liverpool in Madrid with a "Maggie's still dead" banner 👌 pic.twitter.com/KlXLWARuFX

— 🇦🇷 viva bielsa 🇦🇷 (@benleeds94) May 31, 2019

God they know how to work the neutrals

OTM I'm not prepared to switch allegiance just yet though.

lol, Hartley-Brewer no-platformed at Royal College of GPs after 729 medical practitioners signed a petition to fuck her off. Tories/right wing commentariat not popular with many professions these days they used to consider natural supporters it seems.

Need to read this interview somehow

mcdonnell is extremely me when i have any complaint about anything pic.twitter.com/ThKEaujwWn

— W////ΛM (𝕭𝖔𝖚𝖖𝖚𝖊𝖙𝖘) ✊ | 🌹 (@willuminare) May 31, 2019

🤢 pic.twitter.com/FcIc9Uvj0p

— Rhea Wolfson (@rheawolfson) June 1, 2019

felt a strong urge to park this here.

This is exactly how it should be framed:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/01/perfect-storm-austerity-behind-130000-deaths-uk-ippr-report

And don't forget BMG paper, yes those lefties, quoting similar figures and accusing Conservative gov and PIP reforms of "corporate murder" and the bbc refused to acknowledge that one.

Bmj paper i meant!

This is one happy group of McDonnells in Madrid after Liverpool’s victory. Atmosphere incredible. Thousands of ecstatic scousers. Fair play to Tottenham though, they played some great football. pic.twitter.com/EWdcftZ7r6

— John McDonnell MP (@johnmcdonnellMP) June 1, 2019

Ms Widdecombe argued that if "gay conversion" therapy is banned, it will "deny people the chance" to change if they are "discontented" with being LGBT.

people recently voting for this mouldering husk should be erased off the electoral register. That's why (I say hopefully) as soon as this Brexit Party has to get it's UKIP-lite manifesto together for a GE it will end up polling like a right wing pressure group, because too many brexiters won't like what they see.

People who say the sort of things Widdecombe does are inevitably shown up as closet cases.

xp useful to prove the point that most anti-trans discourse is just left over s28 shit

how long is alastair campbell’s tantrum going to go on

it’s been at least 25 years at this point

jfc xps

The instinct to remain spontaneously arises from the experience of being a socialised worker where nothing is permanent, nothing is getting better, and what you do have is threatened.
https://averypublicsociologist.blogspot.com/2019/06/corbynism-and-second-referendum.html

Just wanted to share this old beauty with you all on a quiet pleasant Sunday afternoon

Delicious @tildarice rice pudding, finished to the last morsel. A great argument for the Customs Union and Single Market! pic.twitter.com/5UK75Vsaqc

— David Miliband (@DMiliband) May 14, 2018

this fucking soulless shill is doing good work for Farage.

If he’s in NYC, I’m sure he goes to Myers of Keswick like all the other expats and buys it for like $5 a can.

I have my criticisms of Ed's pusillanimous austerity lite and pandering to bigots agenda in election '15. But he seems like quite a swell guy and a class act next to his awful awful obscenely crass brother.

Friend of mine was matey with his wife when both lived in Kentish Town and she says they’re both good people. Ed appears to be genuinely contrite about not going further left - and the same people undermining Corbyn used to whisper against him. Whereas Corbyn stood up and defended his dad from dog-whistle antisemitism while Labour’s current critics on the subject said fuck-all in solidarity with their leader.