US Politics May 2019: " If I was burned at the stake, I would ask for a mirror"

And honestly, I hope it goes down as one of my greatest achievements, because I have exposed corruption like nobody knew existed

you're right about that

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/30/us/census-citizenship-question-hofeller.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

was this a big story in the states?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-48457401

"Disney could pull productions from Georgia over abortion law

Bob Iger, the CEO of Disney says Georgia's controversial new anti-abortion law would make it "difficult" for the company to keep filming there.

Blockbusters like Black Panther and Avengers: Endgame, were recently shot in the state, due to its generous tax breaks for film productions.

However, Iger said "many people who work for us will not want to work there" should the law go into effect."

might be one for the 'onion stories' thread

Her father, she said, was a brilliant cartographer who was deeply committed to traditional conservative principles like free will and limited government. As a child, she said, she was schooled in those same principles, but every successive gerrymandered map he created only solidified her conviction that he had abandoned them in a quest to entrench his party in permanent control.

“He had me with the idea that we are made to be free,” she said. “And then he lost me.”

feeling this

as the son of a conservative

Is there any reason why Mueller and team were unable to say at the beginning of the investigation "we have no intention to indict the president regardless of the outcome. If we uncover evidence of serious wrongdoing on the part of the president, it will be up to Congress to take further action"?

Shouldn't take 2 years to come to that conclusion.

"It's high crimes AND, not with or or, it's high crimes and misdemeanors..."

What on earth is he trying to say here?

Surprised he didn't point out the plural as well. "One of each isn't enough!"

Treason AND a parking ticket.

I had nothing to do with Russia helping me to get elected.

loooool

― (•̪●) (carne asada)

that didn't happen. what you read, and what you may have heard, did not happen. *helicopter noise*

Less than an hour later, he contradicted himself in front of a gaggle of reporters on the South Lawn as he left for Colorado.

“No Russia did not get me elected,” he told the scrum. “Do you know who got me elected? I got me elected. Russia didn’t help me at all.”

Pull his string again and see what comes out this time.

and if it was true, it was a typo

After President Trump’s admission in a tweet that Russia helped get him elected — which he walked back minutes later — Trump campaign manager Brad Parscale minimized the remark as a mere “typo,” while simultaneously attacking The New York Times for writing about the President’s tweet.

and if it was true, it was a typo

sorry (redacted), i meant WERE

These gaslighting motherfuckers trying to tell us we don’t know what a typo is ! Gtfo

Treason AND a parking ticket.

Yusuf Islam's cynical reboot of his 1971 classic.

Is there any reason why Mueller and team were unable to say at the beginning of the investigation "we have no intention to indict the president regardless of the outcome. If we uncover evidence of serious wrongdoing on the part of the president, it will be up to Congress to take further action"?

Shouldn't take 2 years to come to that conclusion.

― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles)

this seems like a good question.

"I got me elected" for June title, or "and if it was true, it was a typo".

its almost like a Republican cop doesn't necessarily want to remove a Republican president

xp -- 1 vote for the latter

was this a big story in the states?

Yes and no. It's a big deal to all the actors and technicians/crew people etc. who've moved to Georgia to work, and are now dealing w/the possibility that Netflix, Disney, and other production companies will be boycotting the state.

democrats need to subpoena mueller and make him testify.

to refuse to testify, to claim that everything he has to say is already in the report, is supremely arrogant. it suggests that any possible relevant question has already been addressed and is perfectly unambiguous in the report. and it also suggests that there are no relevant meta-questions about the report - when was the decision made to not recommend any charges based on DOJ policy; did he feel that Barr's "summary" of his report was accurate, etc

"I got me elected" for June title, or "and if it was true, it was a typo".

please don't feature yet another was/were grammatical fuck-up as the title, it is embarrassing

xp

One easy question to ask in front of cameras:

"Did you establish that the president is innocent of obstruction?"

https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/445983-dershowitz-shame-on-robert-mueller-for-exceeding-his-role

I mean, he's not completely wrong in identifying Mueller's aim as encouraging impeachment. Of course, he completely skates around the fact that Mueller obviously thinks that's the limit of what he can do with the mass of criminal evidence he documented.

I thought Mueller would be eager to see his report be acted on. So yeah, finding this refusal to testify any further questionable.
Would have thought that as a lifelong epublican he would want to get rid of the factor that is undermining the party as anything other than a group of enablers. Wonder how he feels about Mitch McConnell who seems to be about as negative for things like the rule of law which I thought he loved.

why is anyone listening to a kid diddler's lawyer who might himself be a kid diddler? harvard can be such a scourge

xp that hofeller story is interesting in the "things you knew had to be true, and.... oh looky there" way

it's the most infuriating-poignant story I've read this week

Alfred, maybe you can answer the question of whether the Supreme Court can consider those documents even though oral arguments are finished

My understanding is that SCOTUS can vote to rehear a case, but John Roberts and His Furious Five just ain't gonna do it. Roberts cut his teeth during the Reagan years thinking of delicious ways to gut the VRA.

Ugh

This is a good roundup of conservative cognitive dissonance in response to Mueller's statement yesterday.

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/05/conservatives-stunned-by-mueller-implying-trump-not-innocent.html?utm_campaign=nym&utm_medium=s1&utm_source=tw&__twitter_impression=true

I think it's quite notable that all these commentators are essentially correct in their assessment of Mueller's comments, but are unable to make the logical leap to grasp that yes, the Mueller report is in fact an exhaustive catalog of criminal behavior and that he's making an impeachment referral to Congress. They are too close to the truth to assume that they are straight up lying. I think they really might not understand that the facts are sitting there for anyone willing to put the effort in to see.

well, they're right-wingers. they have to be told what to do. crave it, even. without instructions they are just inert

well it's exactly the same as how Lefties get spoonfed their info and beliefs from CNN and HuffPost. EXACTLY THE SAME.

Sure, but it seems like they are suddenly and inadvertently stumbling onto the truth, which strikes me as a significant change.

it is kind of astonishing that some of them are just NOW realizing what the mueller report actually said and why, even though all Mueller did was literally just repeat what was in the summary of the report. unbelievable.

i mean, i guess tbf when the #BENGHAZI stuff was going on i didn't pay special attention to what the republicans were saying, because it was pretty clear that there wasn't much there and that it was just a ploy to bring down clinton.

to a conservative, the mueller report probably seems like the same thing - just a partisan witch hunt that has no merit. so maybe they didn't ever read the report. and they're not just in a bubble that keeps inconvenient truths from getting in - they're in a bubble that actively distorts and lies. so some of them just never had heard anything that was truthful about the report. they had to wait until mueller said it live on tv to figure it out.

but wow, holy shit

Which is why televised impeachment hearings might work to help shift people away from or further away from following trump. Hopefully enough fact would filter through to even the most ardent enabler.

This is basically everything. https://t.co/39ma74yDaK pic.twitter.com/02Sa8IsXcW

— John Glaser (@jwcglaser) May 30, 2019

i guess some people are "reading" people, and others are "mouths forming words out loud" people

“I had nothing to do with Russia helping me to get elected.”

trying to figure out if she's just trolling the reporter there

White House officials did not immediately explain how driving up the cost of Mexican goods might stem the flow of migrants. If the tariffs damaged the Mexican economy, more of its citizens would try to cross the border to find work in the United States, experts said.

Pelosi argued on Jimmy Kimmel that "there's a school of thought" that acquittal in the Senate after impeachment means you can't be tried criminally after leaving office ... what? https://t.co/QVBItiMez4 pic.twitter.com/h5mnrdHGE5

— Quinta Jurecic (@qjurecic) May 31, 2019

wut

that's a real moment for this gif

https://media1.tenor.com/images/d470329d3016e1491ac301c87d30a72f/tenor.gif?itemid=8555658

more like cathy garn-WHAAAAAAAT am i right

It’s not just Maddow. The Times has come to “prefer,” as sources put it, that its reporters steer clear of any cable-news shows that the masthead perceives as too partisan, and managers have lately been advising people not to go on what they see as highly opinionated programs. It's not clear how many shows fall under that umbrella in the eyes of Times brass, but two others that definitely do are Lawrence O’Donnell’s and Don Lemon’s, according to people familiar with management’s thinking. Hannity’s or Tucker Carlson’s shows would likewise make the cut, but it's not like Times reporters ever do those anyway. I’m told that over the past couple of months, executive editor Dean Baquet has felt that opinionated cable-news show are getting, well, even more opinionated. Baquet and other managers have become increasingly concerned that if a Times reporter were to go on one of these shows, his or her appearance could be perceived as being aligned with that show’s political leanings. “He thinks it’s a real issue,” one of my Times sources said. “Their view,” said another, “is that, intentionally or not, it affiliates the Times reporter with a bias.”

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/05/the-times-gives-maddow-the-cold-shoulder

Good morning!

Peter Baker is on Morning Joe all the time. Is this acceptable?