Seizing back control: The ILX lol brexit is how we're all gonna die thread.

xxp they had a holiday home in France! It’s so ridiculous!

you're being chased by Rory Stewart, he wants to debate you. you jump in a taxi and escape. you breathe a sigh of relief. the driver turns around. it's Rory Stewart

— James (@Gilofthepeople) May 28, 2019

gyac, I get what you're saying, and I completely agree that we should hear much more about the abuse received by Diane Abbott (to the extent that she is comfortable with it), but "MP has rape jokes made about her by Gamergater and UKIP MEP candidate" is a fairly solid hook for a story.

(I also do have the impression that JP has gotten more than her fair share* of abuse, but then where am I getting that impression from and what's their angle)

Either way, that's the context which makes "let's troll JP off Twitter" at best a stupid thing to say.

*the actual fair share = 0

just came here to post the link to james butler's LRB blog, but i see it's here ahead of me

xp DA received over half the abuse received by all MPs, not sure what more she would need to do about it. Regardless, if I were a feminist I wouldn’t be so quick to brag about allegedly telling the most abused woman in Parliament to fuck off when I’d been elected like a week or something - people might wonder about your priorities.

Also going to point out that plenty of people, myself and comrade alphabetical obviously included, dislike JP for legitimate and well-founded reasons - it’s extremely bad faith on both of us to conflate, deliberately or otherwise, his joke about that with the vile rape and death threats she gets from fascists.

ok let's just agree to troll JP out of the Labour Party because she's a self-promoting enemy of socialism and the people

Original joke was "like we did with the war criminal" anyway and I don't think Alistair Campbell was taken down by twitter sexists so I think it's more differing definitions of trolling that are causing the debate here.

one of my local MPs Paula Sherriff needs bodyguards in Dewsbury because of death threats she's received. But she spends more of her time being a decent constituency MP rather than promoting her "brand" and gobshiting with idiot Corbynistas on twitter every day and talking about her fucking self all the time. All female MPs take lots of threats and abuse on social media, but she is the only one uniquely with a W Midlands accent still perhaps?

it's not even like pretending to be working class is original

Andrew can you please take a nap for an hour.

Ms Sherriff - whose constituency neighbours Batley and Spen, where Jo Cox was killed in 2016 - said she sometimes receives more than 1000 items of abuse per week.

if this is how much a low-key white female MP can get then imagine the industrial scale of work dealing with Abbott's office.. jesus.

xp DA received over half the abuse received by all MPs, not sure what more she would need to do about it.

I don't really think the onus is on her, it's due to structural reasons - the bit where I said I agreed with you, I was agreeing with you.

I'm not conflating the two, I'm pointing out that the one forms the context for the other.

What are the actual crimes of Jess Phillips? Not that I'm suggesting they'll justify the abuse, but I only ever hear about her on here, and it seems to be on the level on calzino's post up there.

think i've already mentioned self-promoting enemy of socialism and the people

My point is that she has spoken about it, repeatedly. Structure or not doesn’t have much to do with it.

I’m not sure where the thread should really go when you seem determined to place a stupid joke by xyzzzzzz_ on here as part of the same universe as targeted harassment and death threats organised by fascists? How exactly does his comment lead to those things?

Friend of Jacob Rees-Mogg.

(xp)

I mean I don’t blame JP for the media and moron political analysts mistaking opposing Corbyn for gravitas/integrity/a personality.

she's a bad career politician and a supreme self-promoting narcissist and is on the blue labour wing. not much to like there for starters tbh!

made up a story about telling Diane Abbott to fuck off for reasons unknown

essentially is Owen Smith but with more media chums

can someone summarise the net result when ye are done here

i predict it will fall into one of two buckets:

i typed them out then self censored. this is a first btw.

"i am a working class lefty i just think it's important for the future of the party that i undermine the first left-of-centre leadership we've had in 30+ years at any available opportunity, in fact i'll make opportunities if necessary"

were they both swearwords in noun form?

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xp said that she’d stab Corbyn in the front if he displeased her, and then got all IT’S A METAPHOR when people complained about the violence in her imagery.

she said that not long before the Jo Cox murder as well iirc, but wasn't pressed as hard as McD was about saying he wanted Tories to be scared to walk the streets.

I might try and explain my fantastic joke later if Andrew keeps this up.

I had a feeling that Jess Phillips would irritate the musical snobs on here

https://tenor.com/view/thesimpsons-clowns-fire-gif-4515019

might run a poll on which ilxor is best at feigning bafflement when people don't like centrist running dogs

There are music snobs here?

xp or sidling in to deliver a kick like Dougal at the priests sports day

were they both swearwords in noun form?

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sir, "both" is i am afraid a thin estimate

I genuinely think we're agreeing loudly here, gyac - what I'm saying with "structural reasons" is what I thought you meant by "whose stories get told".

How exactly does his comment lead to those things?

Ah now I never said that - I don't think his joke is dangerous, just stupid and embarrassing.

My local MP is probably quite similar to Jess on the political spectrum and is good friends with Liz Kendall and definitely not a Corbynite. But she seems to have found a way of getting on with the job without being a grandstanding twitter arsehole every day or undermining the leadership at every possible opportunity.

Saddened to hear you don't like my joke Andrew. I will go back to the drawing board and reflect on where I have gone wrong. I will do better, promise.

xxp understand - I just meant nobody is making docudramas about DA & her battle against abuse (even though she objectively has a more interesting story 🙃)

Ties into yesterday's discussion about British emigrants:

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2019/may/29/john-cleese-criticised-for-saying-london-is-no-longer-an-english-city

“I find it hypocritical that someone who is actually living abroad feels the need to make a point like this,” she said. “Why do some British people not see themselves as immigrants if they’ve moved elsewhere? We see cases of British people referring to themselves as expats, detaching themselves from the term immigrant.”

Tbf Canadians and Americans do the same thing.

i mean it's pretty simple, brits are entitled to go anywhere in the world and be warmly welcomed by the natives but traffic going the other way isn't allowed

Expats are a benevolent force, striding the land in their pink trousers and with a pigeon’s head in their pocket to ward off the uppity natives. Immigrants are filthy hordes that leech and leech off a country. Duh!

i feel bad for fans of Legends of British Culture when they find out that their favourite Legend of British Culture is a wee bit conservative

rich white brits are not filthy immigrants in the same sense that they hunt for game on their expensive hols, not bushmeat.

Emigrants of the countries that are widely seen as desirable places for immigration, like the UK and the USA, get accustomed to questions that feel like accusations: "you left there to come here? why?" This sets up, in the minds of these emigrants, an envisaged dichotomy between immigrants & ex-pats; a dichotomy that one should resist! but a part of the lives of these immigrants, that feels like they oughtn't give up their identification as a person from the "desirable" countries. whereas identifying as an "immigrant" has a permanence to it that feels like closing off that past.

When you come from an uncouth country of lazy cheats and liars, you're generally expected to give up whatever worthless cultural bagage you may have amassed prior to ascending to civilization.

brits sunning themselves into perpetual lobsterdom on the costa del sol, refusing to learn spanish, eating full english breakfasts three times a day and mixing only with other lobsterbrits: good not bad

syrian engineers moving to hounslow to clean toilets, living in perpetual fear of forced repatriation, paying taxes, scraping enough money to send home every month: bad not good

Emigrants of the countries that are widely seen as desirable places for immigration, like the UK and the USA, get accustomed to questions that feel like accusations: "you left there to come here? why?"

Believe me, I'm forever asking that of immigrants to the filthy, overpriced, overcrowded shithole that is London.

I remember very strongly getting the bus from Gilmour Street Station in Paisley to my mum's house on a fucking awful dreary dreich West of Scotland day and thinking if this was much really of an improvement on Pałukawyl, Poland for the driver who'd just taken my fare.

lads

if we are to have a generically lazy brit bashing thread i feel it would go some way towards healing the wounds of a few weeks back if ye were to host it in its natural thread, the irish politics thread

can't believe my previous post itt, which took upwards of 60 seconds of typing to create, is being described as 'generically lazy' smdh

i spose i oughtnt have confused the effort required with the poor quality of the output, mea maxima culpa and all that