Seizing back control: The ILX lol brexit is how we're all gonna die thread.

Italy is surely different as there are Italian immigrants all over the planet.

There's dozens of Italians where I work, I've worked with one German and no French at all.

it's not that my explanation applies nowhere else, it's contributory to an answer to yr question to why the brits aren't saying "fuck it let's move"

(also i think my original six-part post does actually include scotland etc, the next response possibly less so)

what are the figures on german, italian and french saying "fuck it let's move", pom? (genuine question as i have zero idea, except that much of semi-rural france is semi-empty)

pomenitul other than the imperial context I'd say certain geographic factors - a country essentially in the corner of a continent yet has considered itself centre of the world...with its dense capital also in a corner, the one closest to the centre of that same continent (no other countries in Europe are affected by these dynamics to the same degree...is my shoddy claim)

also re germany's and italy's empires --this was tried and worked out badly iirc

i mean they all worked out badly

Simon Hedges, first responder

Expelled, just for having an opinion.

— Simon Hedges (@Orwell_Fan) May 28, 2019

My dad used to talk about emigrating to Canada, seriously too, unlike most of the nonsense he came out with. Thank fuck, that never happened.

:( What's wrong with emigrating to Canada?

Anyway, thanks, all, for your thoughtful responses to my questions. I appreciate it.

i'd emigrate to canada given half a chance tbh

Being Canadian strikes me as too much like being Scottish.

The place is full of Scots for a start.

"semi-rural france is semi-empty"

I listened to an old Blair era R4 Point of View by the late Brian Walden other day and he was messily rambling all over the place without much focus about god knows what, he was babbling on about Big Brother - the show at one point (so it hadn't dated well), and in one bit he says something like "..some people say the villages in rural France are the last bastions of true British values .." i was thinking: this cunt had obv been talking to Nigel Lawson recently.

what are the figures on german, italian and french saying "fuck it let's move", pom?

As far as France is concerned, relatively low, if memory serves, although there is a significant influx of French immigrants to Quebec of late, to such an extent that they have become the butt of xenophobia over their 'arrogance' (more imagined than not, seeing as these are emigrants). Rare are those who leave France because of unbearable living conditions, however – they tend to be highly educated and on the lookout for greener pastures.

The place is full of Scots for a start.

Move to Montreal, I only met a Scot there once during my 25 y+ stint.

(20+, actually.)

My dad would have loved that, he was a full-bore, with emphasis on the bore, Francophile.

He probably would have found Quebecers insufficiently French, as most Francophiles tend to do.

I currently live in Sydney and not a single day goes by when I don't hear English/Irish/French accents. There's a ton of European migration here. But I'm guessing it's quite different from the migration into England or Europe, it's much more middle class. The migration into Western Europe from Eastern Europe or the Middle East is more about absolute poverty, while European migration to Australia is about better opportunities among those who wouldn't suffer overly if they had to stay in their native countries.

are we absolutely sure that rory stewart isn't the product of aardman animations puppetry

This whole day - whether in “remain” areas or “leave” areas is just a reminder that we have far more in common than divides us. #letscometogether pic.twitter.com/JJs3Xtze6S

— Rory Stewart (@RoryStewartUK) May 27, 2019

otm, same in Canada.

xp

xp I used to be bff with a Quebecer and she always said how when she lived in France the French mocked her, saw her as backwards etc, while she was telling me that Quebecois is the same form of French that was spoken in the 15thc etc...

Also as it looks like this isn’t going to post, aren’t there famously tons of French in London? And many or most of those are quite wealthy.

i mean a ton of parisiens is a lot of parisiens

anyone near kew gardens fancy a chat with rory? he might still be lurking behind a bush ready to leap out and monologue about his achievements in iraq and afghanistan with unsuspecting passersby

Now - if anyone is around and wants to talk - in Kew Gardens - for the next hour pic.twitter.com/E45A26Y5uR

— Rory Stewart (@RoryStewartUK) May 28, 2019

Indeed, gyac.

As for your Quebecer friend, yes, that's how it usually goes. I may have already told this anecdote elsewhere on ILX, but I once had a francophone colleague from Manitoba (French is her mother tongue but her accent sounds vaguely anglo to the untrained ear) who presented a paper at a conference in Paris. As soon as she finished, the organiser, a Frenchman, paraphrased the gist of her argument because 'you probably didn't understand a thing she said anyway'.

https://thumbs.worthpoint.com/zoom/images3/360/0314/17/gerry-anderson-stingray-aquaphibian_360_e4e293e3485a99a806bcf485eb1d7454.jpg

Point of order can we have all Rory Stewart material in the Tory leadership thread I need it all in one place when I need a good laugh thanks

It's not quite true that Québécois French is a more ancient variety of the language, however. It has retained certain archaisms that have disappeared from French French, but it is shot through with English-like syntactical constructions and anglicisms that are quite distinct. The Office québécois de la langue française aims to curb that tendency, at times successfully, but the claim that Québécois French is 'purer' (a ludicrous notion to begin with) is mostly just nationalist nonsense.

2xp

Similar sitch to US/UK English in many respects

I believe you, esp cos she also told me how her family was “pure laine”.

Anyway, I'm going to stop derailing this thread so we can talk about Rory Stewart, who is in fact a prime example of the worldly Brit archetype.

Insular view: another chinless twat who wants shooting in thhe back

Comrade alphabet is on this occasion correct - Rory Stewart content should be confined to the cordon sanitaire of the leadership thread.

otm, i have taken my stewartbaiting over to the correct thread, pls to return to matters quebecois

isn't Kew Gardens like £20 to get in?

(£16.50)

you can probably vault the fence from the Thames path if you're super keen

Meanwhile

The life story of outspoken Labour MP Jess Phillips will be turned into a television drama by the team behind the BBC series Years and Years. https://t.co/HrR4PgdJn5

— i newspaper (@theipaper) May 28, 2019

does the kew gardens cafe do milkshakes?

please tell me its at least called kewl beans

good grief.. Jesse Phillips pls tell me about the time your mum said something really funny in a .. gosh *regional accent* . ho ho ho . priceless material.

Maybe they’ll tell the story of how her teeth got ~like that~

The migration into Western Europe from Eastern Europe or the Middle East is more about absolute poverty, while European migration to Australia is about better opportunities among those who wouldn't suffer overly if they had to stay in their native countries

Many of the people moving to the UK are highly-skilled or highly-qualified. It's seen as a 'brain drain' issue in Poland, for example, not just a labour shortage one. There are lots of reasons for people to leave but a fairly common one ime is a sense of frustration at limited opportunities for advancement. In a lot of sectors, you need excellent qualifications (often post-grad degrees) to get an entry-level job and there's a perception that opportunity is tied to age in a very linear way. The UK is seen as more meritocratic and more interested in talent vs experience.

What often ends up happening is people with good degrees in Hungary or Poland ending up serving coffee in London, but i'd expect that to change over time.

did anyone ever explain to Jesse that many MP's throughout postwar history have had regional accents and come from w/c backgrounds or even had regional accents and come from middle class and upwards backgrounds ..and nobody really gives much of a fuck about this these days.

https://tribunemag.co.uk/2019/05/hold-the-line

Wait, Years & Years is a programme? I thought it was some sort of bus mural

There are lots of reasons for people to leave but a fairly common one ime is a sense of frustration at limited opportunities for advancement. In a lot of sectors, you need excellent qualifications (often post-grad degrees) to get an entry-level job and there's a perception that opportunity is tied to age in a very linear way. The UK is seen as more meritocratic and more interested in talent vs experience.

This seems to be true of Italy, from what I've heard from Italian colleagues, and Spain to some extent - limited opportunities that is, not sure the mechanisms are the same.

Apparently Jess Phillips's book had been optioned by TV production company. As a drama. I'm not making this up.

First Caitlin Moran's shite sitcom, now a Jess Phillips biopic, West Midlands so much to answer for.

I was just thinking it will probably be as "hilarious" as that one.

True story: after the Bridgewater Four were released there was a docudrama on the Beeb a few months later and i remember swelling with gratitude at the first time i'd heard west midlands accents on TV not used for "comic" effect