Seizing back control: The ILX lol brexit is how we're all gonna die thread.

what mark s says about children moving away and leaving very old and poor is also visible in Ireland - see results of gay marriage ref (Roscommon voting no) and abortion ref (Donegal voted no).

yes

but to what extent is "rural skews conservative, cities is vibrant young things" new for our times i suppose?

It’s not but the centralisation of capital cities in Irl/UK and the decline of agricultural work is very important

dont worry broadband wil-

Worth noting that WEF article Matt linked ends with the study finding British empathy for refugees being the lowest of any EU or English speaking country. But then the study apparently deals in cuntspeak like 'unskilled labourers' and the beyond bogus concept of 'nationally beneficial' re people.

Former Downing Street communications director Alastair Campbell says he has been expelled from the Labour Party

— Sky News Breaking (@SkyNewsBreak) May 28, 2019

about fucking time

I also note that David Aaronovitch was replying to S Hedges, once you’re in you’re in...

Small brain

Yet Kate Hoey sails on down the river with Farage - shameful!

— Kzaz #FBPE #WeAreSodem #IamEuropean 🇪🇺 (@kiasazand) May 28, 2019

This really is the point, isn’t it - why is she untouchable -

— Baloolah (@BaloolahBunting) May 28, 2019

Because she's the nearest thing Corbyn has to Sinn Fein support in the House of Commons

— Stuart Macintosh (@stueymaco) May 28, 2019

Back in pre minimum wage early 90's agricultural work had a then quite princely min wage of 3.83 ph. But they sure struggled to recruit Englishers to toil in the fields.

And has the gall to bring up the EHRC antisemitism investigation after being the architect of a dogwhistle campaign against Michael Howard in 2005, which first brought Luciana Berger to prominence as an internal critic of Labour antisemitism.

Lol misread that as Maconie for a sec
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Omg Campbell :)

Omomomg that Hoey tweet :D :D

Omomomfg Darragh's guide to the literature of Erin XD

britain has never really been properly conscious of or reckoned with its history of internal migration, whether it is the rapid industrial urbanisation of the C19th or the road-building suburbanisation of the C20th. it's been arguably the main driver of class, political, social and cultural change for the past 250 years and imo it's at the core of the social decay, anomie & general malaise that much of the country suffers from

^^^this except i think you do also have to adjust for the existence of empire up till around the 1950s (is this internal or external?)

Guys we're in Spoons and there's no pizza available, i think the Brexpocalypse has begun

How does this differ from similar phenomena in France, Germany, Italy, etc.?

2xp

Instructive to see England standing in for the UK in the immigration discussion itt. Talking for the Scottish diaspora, get it up ye, Campbell and stick yer bagpipes where the sun don't shine.

Pizza sounds like foreign muck, you should be ordering something British like spag bol.

Italy is surely different as there are Italian immigrants all over the planet.

There's dozens of Italians where I work, I've worked with one German and no French at all.

it's not that my explanation applies nowhere else, it's contributory to an answer to yr question to why the brits aren't saying "fuck it let's move"

(also i think my original six-part post does actually include scotland etc, the next response possibly less so)

what are the figures on german, italian and french saying "fuck it let's move", pom? (genuine question as i have zero idea, except that much of semi-rural france is semi-empty)

pomenitul other than the imperial context I'd say certain geographic factors - a country essentially in the corner of a continent yet has considered itself centre of the world...with its dense capital also in a corner, the one closest to the centre of that same continent (no other countries in Europe are affected by these dynamics to the same degree...is my shoddy claim)

also re germany's and italy's empires --this was tried and worked out badly iirc

i mean they all worked out badly

Simon Hedges, first responder

Expelled, just for having an opinion.

— Simon Hedges (@Orwell_Fan) May 28, 2019

My dad used to talk about emigrating to Canada, seriously too, unlike most of the nonsense he came out with. Thank fuck, that never happened.

:( What's wrong with emigrating to Canada?

Anyway, thanks, all, for your thoughtful responses to my questions. I appreciate it.

i'd emigrate to canada given half a chance tbh

Being Canadian strikes me as too much like being Scottish.

The place is full of Scots for a start.

"semi-rural france is semi-empty"

I listened to an old Blair era R4 Point of View by the late Brian Walden other day and he was messily rambling all over the place without much focus about god knows what, he was babbling on about Big Brother - the show at one point (so it hadn't dated well), and in one bit he says something like "..some people say the villages in rural France are the last bastions of true British values .." i was thinking: this cunt had obv been talking to Nigel Lawson recently.

what are the figures on german, italian and french saying "fuck it let's move", pom?

As far as France is concerned, relatively low, if memory serves, although there is a significant influx of French immigrants to Quebec of late, to such an extent that they have become the butt of xenophobia over their 'arrogance' (more imagined than not, seeing as these are emigrants). Rare are those who leave France because of unbearable living conditions, however – they tend to be highly educated and on the lookout for greener pastures.

The place is full of Scots for a start.

Move to Montreal, I only met a Scot there once during my 25 y+ stint.

(20+, actually.)

My dad would have loved that, he was a full-bore, with emphasis on the bore, Francophile.

He probably would have found Quebecers insufficiently French, as most Francophiles tend to do.

I currently live in Sydney and not a single day goes by when I don't hear English/Irish/French accents. There's a ton of European migration here. But I'm guessing it's quite different from the migration into England or Europe, it's much more middle class. The migration into Western Europe from Eastern Europe or the Middle East is more about absolute poverty, while European migration to Australia is about better opportunities among those who wouldn't suffer overly if they had to stay in their native countries.

are we absolutely sure that rory stewart isn't the product of aardman animations puppetry

This whole day - whether in “remain” areas or “leave” areas is just a reminder that we have far more in common than divides us. #letscometogether pic.twitter.com/JJs3Xtze6S

— Rory Stewart (@RoryStewartUK) May 27, 2019

otm, same in Canada.

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xp I used to be bff with a Quebecer and she always said how when she lived in France the French mocked her, saw her as backwards etc, while she was telling me that Quebecois is the same form of French that was spoken in the 15thc etc...

Also as it looks like this isn’t going to post, aren’t there famously tons of French in London? And many or most of those are quite wealthy.

i mean a ton of parisiens is a lot of parisiens

anyone near kew gardens fancy a chat with rory? he might still be lurking behind a bush ready to leap out and monologue about his achievements in iraq and afghanistan with unsuspecting passersby

Now - if anyone is around and wants to talk - in Kew Gardens - for the next hour pic.twitter.com/E45A26Y5uR

— Rory Stewart (@RoryStewartUK) May 28, 2019

Indeed, gyac.

As for your Quebecer friend, yes, that's how it usually goes. I may have already told this anecdote elsewhere on ILX, but I once had a francophone colleague from Manitoba (French is her mother tongue but her accent sounds vaguely anglo to the untrained ear) who presented a paper at a conference in Paris. As soon as she finished, the organiser, a Frenchman, paraphrased the gist of her argument because 'you probably didn't understand a thing she said anyway'.

https://thumbs.worthpoint.com/zoom/images3/360/0314/17/gerry-anderson-stingray-aquaphibian_360_e4e293e3485a99a806bcf485eb1d7454.jpg

Point of order can we have all Rory Stewart material in the Tory leadership thread I need it all in one place when I need a good laugh thanks

It's not quite true that Québécois French is a more ancient variety of the language, however. It has retained certain archaisms that have disappeared from French French, but it is shot through with English-like syntactical constructions and anglicisms that are quite distinct. The Office québécois de la langue française aims to curb that tendency, at times successfully, but the claim that Québécois French is 'purer' (a ludicrous notion to begin with) is mostly just nationalist nonsense.

2xp

Similar sitch to US/UK English in many respects

I believe you, esp cos she also told me how her family was “pure laine”.

Anyway, I'm going to stop derailing this thread so we can talk about Rory Stewart, who is in fact a prime example of the worldly Brit archetype.