Seizing back control: The ILX lol brexit is how we're all gonna die thread.

Nice to see at least still half of Labour MEPs are women. The Brexit party have 8 out of 28 - Tory levels!

Noodle, Tom d and caek otm with their turnout predictions up thread. Most of the electorate STILL doesn't really give AF about Europe despite/ because of 3 years of this relentless nonsense. Most people don't feel 'betrayed' that we haven' t left yet nor are they desperate for a 2nd ref despite the fact that most of the media pushes the narrative that the entire UK is split between these two perspectives.

5 million votes for the hard Brexit party wow maybe they should start a petition.

(xp) Upthread I did report a conversation in my work with a woman who didn't even know such a thing as a European Parliament existed.

Obviously she'd heard of Brexit though!

ugh facebook today is a wasteland of ppl i am fond of for work reasons reposting garbage nonsense* complete with their own hot-voiced psephological conclusions

*aka stuff in the guardian** mainly >:(
**it is not getting worse ftb it's always been very terrible

Hard Remain + moral panic, law and order discourse, how could this go catastrophically wrong????? Fucking hell Paul. pic.twitter.com/T4B9B9M8yO

— Tom Gann (@Tom_Gann) May 27, 2019

All of Mason's tweeting in the last few weeks => Corbyn won't return my calls.

Yup, mark s, sharing those feels re: FB melt dude post-mortems - and they’re all baying for Milne’s head
etc etc on Twitter.

not even melts really, just good-hearted despairing ppl very alarmed bcz plugged into routinely bad analysis :(

Listening to Radio 4, god help me, whole of the news managed to avoid mentioning the greens, but still managed to say "conservatives in 5th place" and even discussed changeUK and German greens.

the Tories are looking more and more likely to end up with a leader who wants/is prepared to take a no deal Brexit. rather than just barking at Corbyn and the left i look forward to hearing Watson and his allies outline a viable strategy for Labour to prevent that happening within this parliament because if there is no viable strategy maybe they should stfu

Vote Liberal Democrat appears to be Alastair Campbell's strategy, for one.

perhaps it's the contradictions of being a tory cunt and pretending not to be one that drive his depression.

A good stiff drink and he'll be right as rain.

As a fairly depressive pisshead I heartily agreed with someone commenting on twitter about how they have quite quite a low sympathy rating for the ruthless, bullying, vindictive shithead who Malcolm Tucker was based on wanting you to lend a sensitive ear and listen to the story of their struggles with depression and booze...

Eh, a prick’s a prick and having problems with the sauce isn’t an excuse for that, nor a reason not to separate the two. Alcoholism is terrible and I sympathise with anyone affected; but AC was born a prick and will remain so regardless of anything else.

Oh and the idea that Mr Seumas Milne has more of a voice on Brexit policy than all those Labour MPs in shaky northern and midlands seats that went strongly for Leave is ridiculous. Seumas Milne truthers will be the end of us.

Indeed, it's funny how MPs like Caroline Flint seem to escape any criticism when she is constanly banging on about saving her own skin not betraying Leave voters to the exclusion of everything else that's happening on the planet - she was at it again last night.

Yes those MPs are the ones who twice torpedoed the vote on a second referendum and once again they get ignored. Presumably because no one has much to gain by drawing attention to them.

Also as terrible as that Mason analysis is, fuck Ian Lavery forever.

The headbangeriest headbanger could become PM and still not get No Deal done, because the maths hasn’t changed.

(I mean, unless they dissolved Parliament but unless they elect Peter Bone or Marc Francois that isn’t happening)

Would the EU continue to offer extensions to the headbangeriest headbanger though?

i may have jumped the gun investing £10k in 'francoismania' t-shirts

This relies on remainy Tories and ChUKers opposing the government in a VONC to bring it down - and can we be certain that they will? I’m not so sure.

not a chance in hell

It depends on the toxicity of the winning candidate I think, but I'm inclined to agree with NACIH.

I think tories (including chuk) will fall in line no matter how toxic the leader tbh

That’s what I think too - especially when you see Amber “fifth count” Rudd pulling a total reversal on Boris the last few days.

exciting to see the robust pivot from "magical grandpa *scornful snort* " to "magical [insert still-unknown name here] cannot be anything but good (and not bad)"

Amber Rudd on the 10th of May:

BREXITEERS like Boris Johnson can’t become PM because Tory Remainers will rebel against them, Amber Rudd warned last night.
The Cabinet minister claimed MPs would rather bring down the Government and trigger a General Election than accept a No Deal Brexit.

Ms Rudd added: “Sure, I like him yeah. To be brutal I like most of my colleagues. I am not somebody who actually fights. I get on perfectly well with him.”

She refused to comment on the future but said: “I have worked with him before. He was Foreign Secretary, I was Home Secretary. We were able to work together.”

Ah sorry, second bit was meant to be “Amber Rudd two days ago”

This relies on remainy Tories and ChUKers opposing the government in a VONC to bring it down - and can we be certain that they will? I’m not so sure.

exactly how far over the edge of the precipice do you think we'd have to be before Tories and Chukers develop enough backbone to VONC, say, Boris?

i mean from most perspectives they had more to gain by doing it to May and here we are

I am really puzzled and surprised by Paul Mason's recent turn to massive 'red on red' combat polemic.

I have always liked him very much, but I think that he is somewhat insular - obsessed with party officials and publications that most people have barely heard of and don't care about.

And I don't think that his 'anti-Brexit platform = electoral success' idea is particularly convincing.

IIRC Dominic Grieve has said he'd quit the party if Johnson became leader but who knows. There may be one or two senior Tories who know their careers would be over under Boris who might be tempted to self-immolate to prevent No Deal but what's the point in relying on people like Philip Hammond to do anything?

I'd hope even ChUK would realise that there is literally no point to them if their one policy is "don't like Brexit" and they don't back a VoNC which may well be the only way left of averting Brexit, but last night's results may have shown them that everyone has already worked out there's no point to them, so they need to cling to their seats for as long as possible as they're not getting them back

good to see that trashbag Janice Atkinson lost her seat also - tho I guess it frees her up for more Rebel Media racist shitvids

ChUK cannot even agree on things like whether to recommend tactical voting or whether to merge with the LDs.

It is extraordinary how they are spontaneously having their disagreements in public, already.

Though, despite their dreadfulness in every way - if they have really taken eg: 4% of the vote - isn't that actually a substantial chunk of vote that eg: Labour needs back? Or maybe it doesn't work this way in practice.

i mean from most perspectives they had more to gain by doing it to May and here we are

i think the chances of the parliamentary Tories no-confidencing a newly-elected leader, of any stripe, are infinitesimal

*one* of the key reasons for the failure of a parliamentary way out of this impasse is that most career MPs will never underestimate the cowardice of their fellow career MPs

otm

When you find out Tommy Robinson got smashed in the European elections... 🕺🤣 #EuropeanElectionResults #EUElectionResults pic.twitter.com/khlhWP5zbl

— Dave Ward (@DaveWardGS) May 27, 2019

this is beautiful

Excellent use of the meme, which should slowly override its Untergang variant.

You know you’re old when it’s your first time seeing a meme

NV OTM — but Brexit is and always has been Tory mutually assured destruction. The new leader doesn’t get a honeymoon, they get faced with a rapidly ticking clock to Oct 31 and don’t even have time for No Deal prep.

There are enough Tories who know exactly what No Deal means (and what it will do to their careers) that that there’s just no sane route to it happening (on Oct 31, at least)

Absolutely agree there's no sane route, thinking more of Govellum falling into the pit of Mount Doom with May's gnawed-off finger in his hands

in some ways i think Gove is even more dangerous than boris. he's probably more likely to happen and is more of a dour stayer type, who will obsessively see his grim and stupidly detrimental ideas implemented on the UK.