Seizing back control: The ILX lol brexit is how we're all gonna die thread.

oops, I was quoting 40% from someone on R4 who was conveniently rounding it up a few%

Lol 2nd ref as a policy after last night and the way some of the Remainers acted in this campaign.

Turnout was still low, the people who did turn out were sending a message, it depends on which voters were sending it where and how likely they are to return to the two main parties in a GE if there's no change of direction.

Labour should just say fuck it and go for Revoke - and appeal to voters by promising that they won’t be hearing about Brexit for decades to come. Voters want their hospitals staffed and schools funded and Brexit has sucked the policy oxygen out of the room for so long.

Idly wondering whether this would work or whether it would be a disaster. As always the problem with a 2nd referendum is the people who would be taking the most prominent roles in the Remain campaign.

Turnout was higher in Remain areas, as usual.

the one excellent thing abt this result is that it fully confirms everything i already believed and shatters the illusions of those clowns who disagree with me :|

The rise in turnout seems to have been down to increases in Remain voting areas, is what I meant to say. (xp)

Though the increases were hardly startling.

I think some people did want to give Labour a kicking for the triangulation on this one policy area they actually went into in 2017, in the one election where that line was going to be exposed.

One of the reasons Labour did well in the last GE was they kept throwing things onto the agenda that the Tories were ill-positioned to deal with, they made that campaign about everything *except* Brexit, when the Tories kept banging on about Brexit and whatever turd of a social care policy they'd dreamed up that day. It was a very very good trick but it might not necessarily be repeatable.

Nevertheless, holding their nerve might be still a route to Downing Street for Labour, very difficult to see how they can deliver their own form of Brexit while also staying there for long.

Idly wondering whether this would work or whether it would be a disaster. As always the problem with a 2nd referendum is the people who would be taking the most prominent roles in the Remain campaign.

Its risky, but much less risky than second referendum I think. Have voters choose on a whole package instead of letting one thing get split off. If you split it off you have to campaign purely on EU instead of everything. Message along the lines of "fuck it, can't be arsed with it, lets sack it off and save the nhs and some job security eh lads?"

Hahahaha some good news is that the Yax lost his deposit in the NW, all that milkshake spend was well worth it.

ruth davidson took a doing too

casually not mentioning SLAB performance here

simon jenkins says HULLO:

The EU election changes nothing. May’s deal is still the only way forward | Simon Jenkins https://t.co/DdiinR8prY

— The Guardian (@guardian) May 27, 2019

I honestly can't remember BBC radio coverage of Local Elections and EU elections being so Talk Sport in style as the last two. Redd Pepper voiceover: The electorate isn't here to chew bubblegum anymore.. [car crashes into boxes ...fireball] .. and now the next result from Stalybridge is really going to throw the cat among the pigeons.. .

time to throw yr hat in the ring as a stalking horse calz, it's the last-chance saloon

I'm calling for your resignation as well. If people actively obstruct the leader, brief against him, refuse to enact decisions they are not doing their jobs - and how can we have a party chair who breaks the whip?

— Paul Mason (@paulmasonnews) May 27, 2019

people actively obstructing the leader... briefing against him... refusing to enact decisions... not doing their jobs? I agree - they should go. PM going off on one this am

lot of merit in matt’s analysis above - what’s needed now are cool heads, membership discussion and a review of the party’s policy calibration. let’s not forget the tories are on the event horizon of an extinction level event

Which seat was Ruth Davidson up for again?

here’s the conservative’s election material in scotland

@RuthDavidsonMSP has written to voters about the European elections on 23 May - mentions independence or a new referendum 15 times. Brexit? Just once - because @NicolaSturgeon believes it justifies independence. The European parliament? Nada. pic.twitter.com/sBApW3SeBv

— Severin Carrell (@severincarrell) May 8, 2019

No I agree, she's good at her job. And, tomorrow, that'll be recycling and the Scottish Tory party will still have 25% of all the Tory MEPs.

A humiliated Tommy Robinson declared he “wants a second vote” in a bizarre video posted from his bed after he failed to secure a seat in the European Parliament.

In the clip, which is believed to have been posted on the Telegram private messaging app, the independent MEP candidate described himself as “dead to the world”.

He said: “I don’t accept the result of the election. I want a second vote.”

He went on to claim “people had been lied to” before saying “I want to do it again”.

who'd have thought Yack was such a 2ndRefvote stan, the ppl have voted accept the result buddy:p

Nice to see at least still half of Labour MEPs are women. The Brexit party have 8 out of 28 - Tory levels!

Noodle, Tom d and caek otm with their turnout predictions up thread. Most of the electorate STILL doesn't really give AF about Europe despite/ because of 3 years of this relentless nonsense. Most people don't feel 'betrayed' that we haven' t left yet nor are they desperate for a 2nd ref despite the fact that most of the media pushes the narrative that the entire UK is split between these two perspectives.

5 million votes for the hard Brexit party wow maybe they should start a petition.

(xp) Upthread I did report a conversation in my work with a woman who didn't even know such a thing as a European Parliament existed.

Obviously she'd heard of Brexit though!

ugh facebook today is a wasteland of ppl i am fond of for work reasons reposting garbage nonsense* complete with their own hot-voiced psephological conclusions

*aka stuff in the guardian** mainly >:(
**it is not getting worse ftb it's always been very terrible

Hard Remain + moral panic, law and order discourse, how could this go catastrophically wrong????? Fucking hell Paul. pic.twitter.com/T4B9B9M8yO

— Tom Gann (@Tom_Gann) May 27, 2019

All of Mason's tweeting in the last few weeks => Corbyn won't return my calls.

Yup, mark s, sharing those feels re: FB melt dude post-mortems - and they’re all baying for Milne’s head
etc etc on Twitter.

not even melts really, just good-hearted despairing ppl very alarmed bcz plugged into routinely bad analysis :(

Listening to Radio 4, god help me, whole of the news managed to avoid mentioning the greens, but still managed to say "conservatives in 5th place" and even discussed changeUK and German greens.

the Tories are looking more and more likely to end up with a leader who wants/is prepared to take a no deal Brexit. rather than just barking at Corbyn and the left i look forward to hearing Watson and his allies outline a viable strategy for Labour to prevent that happening within this parliament because if there is no viable strategy maybe they should stfu

Vote Liberal Democrat appears to be Alastair Campbell's strategy, for one.

perhaps it's the contradictions of being a tory cunt and pretending not to be one that drive his depression.

A good stiff drink and he'll be right as rain.

As a fairly depressive pisshead I heartily agreed with someone commenting on twitter about how they have quite quite a low sympathy rating for the ruthless, bullying, vindictive shithead who Malcolm Tucker was based on wanting you to lend a sensitive ear and listen to the story of their struggles with depression and booze...

Eh, a prick’s a prick and having problems with the sauce isn’t an excuse for that, nor a reason not to separate the two. Alcoholism is terrible and I sympathise with anyone affected; but AC was born a prick and will remain so regardless of anything else.

Oh and the idea that Mr Seumas Milne has more of a voice on Brexit policy than all those Labour MPs in shaky northern and midlands seats that went strongly for Leave is ridiculous. Seumas Milne truthers will be the end of us.

Indeed, it's funny how MPs like Caroline Flint seem to escape any criticism when she is constanly banging on about saving her own skin not betraying Leave voters to the exclusion of everything else that's happening on the planet - she was at it again last night.

Yes those MPs are the ones who twice torpedoed the vote on a second referendum and once again they get ignored. Presumably because no one has much to gain by drawing attention to them.

Also as terrible as that Mason analysis is, fuck Ian Lavery forever.

The headbangeriest headbanger could become PM and still not get No Deal done, because the maths hasn’t changed.

(I mean, unless they dissolved Parliament but unless they elect Peter Bone or Marc Francois that isn’t happening)

Would the EU continue to offer extensions to the headbangeriest headbanger though?

i may have jumped the gun investing £10k in 'francoismania' t-shirts

This relies on remainy Tories and ChUKers opposing the government in a VONC to bring it down - and can we be certain that they will? I’m not so sure.

not a chance in hell

It depends on the toxicity of the winning candidate I think, but I'm inclined to agree with NACIH.

I think tories (including chuk) will fall in line no matter how toxic the leader tbh

That’s what I think too - especially when you see Amber “fifth count” Rudd pulling a total reversal on Boris the last few days.

exciting to see the robust pivot from "magical grandpa *scornful snort* " to "magical [insert still-unknown name here] cannot be anything but good (and not bad)"

Amber Rudd on the 10th of May:

BREXITEERS like Boris Johnson can’t become PM because Tory Remainers will rebel against them, Amber Rudd warned last night.
The Cabinet minister claimed MPs would rather bring down the Government and trigger a General Election than accept a No Deal Brexit.

Ms Rudd added: “Sure, I like him yeah. To be brutal I like most of my colleagues. I am not somebody who actually fights. I get on perfectly well with him.”

She refused to comment on the future but said: “I have worked with him before. He was Foreign Secretary, I was Home Secretary. We were able to work together.”