2020 Democratic presidential primary

It makes sense to primary him if you care about anything beyond the success of the party. But they don’t. So yeah, they support him—that’s my point.

But if I think my party is right for the country, why would I want rid of the guy I think is doing great?

And challenge him on what anyway? lack of civility? What exactly is it he's doing that would upset Republicans? All the effort of primarying just to get someone the same but muted and civil? Might as well wait and vote for Biden in the general instead

idk. he seems like a lunatic to me and i think it's dangerous to have someone like that in the most powerful office on earth.

he also has been pretty cruel to individual fellow republicans, from his opponents in the primary to former members of his cabinet and beyond. like, agreeing to have him as the head of your party means you pretty much need to submit to his whims or else get bullied. i wouldn't want to be part of a club like that

the latter concern is less noble for sure

like, i actually get kind of sickened when i see ted cruz suck up to trump, the man who told the world his wife was ugly. it's not even political. as a human being you're supposed to have a backbone.

Sure, these are all great arguments for a) why not to be a republican, and b) not to have Trump in a position of power. But where is c) why would republicans not want Trump in power?

yeah, you're right--to be a republican means you're part of a political project that further benefits the wealthy at the expense of everyone else as well as the environment. so trump is a perfect leader for this movement.

agreeing to have him as the head of your party means you pretty much need to submit to his whims or else get bullied.

Right wing parties always have a preference for hierarchy and the role of a strongman or king. Any dislike for authority is merely upset that is located with the person (or more likely, group of people). Hatred of those below and deference to those above are part of the rules. People loved the king because he was the king not because of how he treated them

Royalists never argued the king had the best policies!

it's the thing that revolts me most in the world, honestly -- this idea of hierarchy

and especially revering some piece of shit grifter who lies all the time, who is devoid of warmth, humor, compassion, and integrity. i've gone through this though.

it's the thing that revolts me most in the world, honestly -- this idea of hierarchy

Right, so expecting criticizisms of Trumps' actions, words or person to make a difference is totally missing the point. If Conservatism is merely hierarchicalism, then attacking the table manners of the king isn't going to work

and feeding into the idea of it being "a bad king", well, ok the king dies and we get his son who doesn't dribble at the table, now what?

yeah. yo, have you heard of this weirdo? a classics scholar who believes trump is a tragic hero

https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/the-classicist-who-sees-donald-trump-as-a-tragic-hero

seems connected. he's deeply flawed, but the flaws aren't flaws, somehow he's a figure of historical necessity. it's so cultish. trump is just a con artist and attention whore.

i take back the term at the end there because it's disrespectful to sex workers

omg

*coughs at thread title*

when is treeship's rumspringa over?

ok sure.

we're all biden supporters here, right?

lol yerac

hahaha

just did a little wikipedia journey there, but treesh you better end up baptized in the faith

or leave?...whatever is best for you. i'm new to rumspringa but i wish the best for oyu

dammit

It makes sense to primary him if you care about anything beyond the success of the party. But they don’t. So yeah, they support him—that’s my point.

― Trϵϵship, Saturday, May 25, 2019 11:34 AM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

they’re getting the policies and, even more importantly, the judges confirmed they want. republicans are bad people and they want bad things to happen, I’m not sure why his support is hard to understand

if it's Saturday afternoon, it must be tree time!

Bill Weld is on the ballot. Recent history shows that incumbent presidents who are even marginally challenged in NH go on to lose the general election:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/political_commentary/commentary_by_kyle_kondik/trump_s_primary_goal_avoiding_a_new_hampshire_hiccup🕸

lol that is statistical illiteracy at its finest

he's got a touch of william weld

Weldschmerz

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D7m-sEvX4AECn5g.jpg

beto standing on a table

White people love this gesture, no matter their height -- they pretend (and believe) that it gives them moral stature.

i thought bernie was gonna be hillary yelling at a cloud

where's warren tho

she made the meme herself

The dumbest form of Democratic politics is believing Trump is not going to "be able" to lie about your preferred candidate, receive massive free media coverage for doing so, and get plenty of people to believe whatever his team decides to make up. Goal of 2020 is to start with the assumption that's going to happen and win from there.

Goal of 2020 should be to pick someone that has a) good policies that are popular,, and b) can win - and focus on that

I passed a little old lady on the freeway yesterday and as far as I could tell she had a sticker on the back of her car for each and every declared Democratic presidential candidate. I want to know if she'll peel them off as the drop out or not.

and b) can win

FAMILY FEUD

srsly no one knows how to judge this, see Nov 2016

"The field is too big. You wonder if some candidates are getting negative ratings simply as a result of voters questioning whether they really should be running," said pollster Patrick Murray. https://t.co/cvS4hFWHa1

— Alex Seitz-Wald (@aseitzwald) May 28, 2019

Excellent pull from @MarcACaputo @natashakorecki: Ed Rendell, everyone's favorite Pennsylvania whisperer, said Biden could get "tens of thousands of people" to show up for rallies. Off by a few thousand... https://t.co/ezDQevcMuz pic.twitter.com/DIJAGewXf9

— Dave Weigel (@daveweigel) May 28, 2019

Read the whole thing, which has some awfully foreshadow-y lines from Dems about how actually it's GOOD that Biden is generating less enthusiasm than Bernie/Warren/Buttigieg

— Dave Weigel (@daveweigel) May 28, 2019

I'm skeptical of that notion, to say the least. To the extent that there's a strategy involved, it seems to echo what James Poniewozik says here:

Mr. Biden’s approach may be the strategy of a front-runner looking to avoid unforced errors. But it’s also on-brand in a way: Even as he appeals to supporters’ affection for a pre-Trump era, he also seems to be campaigning in an earlier era, one in which candidates — and the president — weren’t pinging you through your phone every fifteen minutes.

Most of the field seems to operate on the assumption that they need to show they can keep Mr. Trump from hogging the camera as he did in 2016. There’s evidence for that. The candidates who win presidential elections in the TV era (Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, Mr. Trump) tend to be the ones who make themselves the lead character of that ongoing serial.

It’s one more divide in the early stages of this campaign. One theory of the case says you beat Donald Trump by offering people a different story, creating a more compelling program. Another says that you win by simply offering to turn the set off for a while, and give them some peace and quiet.

I guess the "turn the set off" approach could work in a primary, but it seems like a disaster in a general election vs. Trump.

play it 'safe' all the way to yr concession speech

agreed. Biden's people seem to forget that voting isn't a passive activity. most people have to go to a place and stand in a line, and given all the various suppression efforts undertaken by state legislatures, the days and times may be quite inconvenient. and nobody is making you do it. people may prefer candidate x or feel like candidate y is the most electable, but none of that is the same as actually showing up to vote.

imo: for worse or for much worse, or for even worse than that, i'm not sure how we ever go back from the idea of the president as a constant source of terror/entertainment.

and nobody is making you do it.

and in fact, many people are actively trying to prevent you from doing it

I don’t think the problem is Biden’s people not realising that enthusiasm is important. I’m sure they do. It’s more they realise the limitations of their candidate.

number of times each candidate was mentioned on cable news coverage during last two weeks:

https://i.imgur.com/WLqvXsM.jpg