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"One was EOF errors with some Adobe CS2 files" - just checking that this isn't users opening files across the network. this is something not recommended by Adobe on any of their applications on any AFP service. (same goes for Quark BTW tho that problem shows up more often enough for users to end up bitten and twice shy by it right off)

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 15:37 (twenty years ago)

this may be of some use: web interface to a server spotlight http://searchlightrss.com/

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 15:41 (twenty years ago)

we have our own media library app to catalogue stuff on both mac and windows servers, it does more than just provide a search function but gets round the problems inherrent in searching large volumes across the network.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 15:58 (twenty years ago)

i just tried out that searchlight service on our toy tiger server and it's looking pretty smart

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 16:01 (twenty years ago)

That looks very cute

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 16:13 (twenty years ago)

they just got bonus points cos the page appeared in my bonjour bookmarks! not that that's any use when a real server won't be in the same VLAN. but still.

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 16:27 (twenty years ago)

I wish Apple offered OS X Server as an option on all the non-notebooks. I am using a nu-iMac as a dev server / desktop and would have appreciated some of the features

― R.I.P. West Village Bird Shaman ]-`: (ex machina), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 17:34 (twenty years ago)

do the server install disks just say "nuh uh, not on this you don't!" with an imac?

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 17:38 (twenty years ago)

My home server is an iMac G3 running panther server. I must try tiger server on it.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 17:40 (twenty years ago)

but yes, a BTO option would be good, especially for the Mac Minis.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 17:43 (twenty years ago)

do the server install disks just say "nuh uh, not on this you don't!" with an imac?

Eh, I doubt it but:

#1 No intel os X server
#2 No one likes paying 2x
#3 It is "good enough"

― R.I.P. West Village Bird Shaman ]-`: (ex machina), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 21:31 (twenty years ago)

Of course with OS X server, what you are mainly paying for is the admin tools. Most of it is open-source stuff any way. OS X client plus fink and phpmyadmin is not a bad second guess (insert favourite package manager or source compiles and admin tools where applicable)

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 21:35 (twenty years ago)

PhpMyAdmin is for administering MySQL not Unixland, MORON.

― R.I.P. West Village Bird Shaman ]-`: (ex machina), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 21:37 (twenty years ago)

http://web.mit.edu/macdev/KfM/KerberosClients/KerberosApp/Documentation/Graphics/osx-realm-servers.jpg

― R.I.P. West Village Bird Shaman ]-`: (ex machina), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 21:38 (twenty years ago)

But you're right, I figure most of the hard stuff out anyway.

― R.I.P. West Village Bird Shaman ]-`: (ex machina), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 21:40 (twenty years ago)

I meant webmin, but you get the general idea.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 21:47 (twenty years ago)

Webmin is useful for some things, but I'd never try to use it as my primary server config tool. It's just too rough around the edges.

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 21:51 (twenty years ago)

I really don't like a lot of automated tools for that kind of stuff. I got burned way too many times back in the RH5.2 era.

Anyone here use Subversion or something like it to manage config files?

― R.I.P. West Village Bird Shaman ]-`: (ex machina), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 21:54 (twenty years ago)

I've not had to touch it in a long while, you're probably right, no good for production, but for home server, or even workgroup, good enough. All the servers I have to deal with are OS X (lovely admin tools) or win 2000/2003 (not bad really but really really inconsistent)

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 21:57 (twenty years ago)

That admin thing that works over the network in win2k is the jam.

― R.I.P. West Village Bird Shaman ]-`: (ex machina), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 21:58 (twenty years ago)

I don't like the admin tools on Windows at all. Their entire design strategy: put any important settings in the same size of dialog box. If the box isn't big enough, add another tab!

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 22:01 (twenty years ago)

http://homepage.mac.com/bradster/iarchitect/images/mewtab.gif
http://homepage.mac.com/bradster/iarchitect/images/onetab.gif
http://homepage.mac.com/bradster/iarchitect/images/psych.gif

― R.I.P. West Village Bird Shaman ]-`: (ex machina), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 22:04 (twenty years ago)

this may be of some use: web interface to a server spotlight http://searchlightrss.com/

That's really kinda cool. I'll check it out some though I think it was a little too late. One thing I didn't mention was that there was an outside IT consultant who wanted to toss the whole works for a Windows server, so at least I convinced him to stay with *nix.

sigh

― The Equator Lounge (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 23:24 (twenty years ago)

Small mercy there then, the windows networking stack is shockingly slow.

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 23 March 2006 06:27 (twenty years ago)

Is it really that bad? Or do you mean windows filesharing instead of TCP/IP?

Do they even do zero copy sockets? Do they have sendfile()? Pretty sad that the only way for IIS to come close to smoking Apache at static content was for them to integrate parts of it into the kernel..

― R.I.P. West Village Bird Shaman ]-`: (ex machina), Thursday, 23 March 2006 06:38 (twenty years ago)

Both nfs and smb sharing from windows are significantly slower that *nix on the same hardware (this was with a live cd used for testing and the same ntfs volume used for source material, mixed win2k and xp clients, mixed gigabit and 100 megabit infrastructure). Its not conclusively the networking stack but the result is much the same.

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 23 March 2006 06:46 (twenty years ago)

yea, I'm not surprised.

― R.I.P. West Village Bird Shaman ]-`: (ex machina), Thursday, 23 March 2006 06:57 (twenty years ago)

My own experience is that SMB sharing is significantly slower on Windows than with Samba on Linux. Using a properly-optimised ext3 volume to store the files on instead of NTFS gives Linux a second speed advantage, too.

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 23 March 2006 07:00 (twenty years ago)

I don't know why people deploy ext3 when reiser etc are available.

― R.I.P. West Village Bird Shaman ]-`: (ex machina), Thursday, 23 March 2006 07:03 (twenty years ago)

I HATE APPLE AND SUNN O)))

So in the processing of keeping up iTunes with my CD collection, I tried to rip Sunn O)))'s "Black One" about an hour ago. Now, my iBook won't spit the CD back out. It's little motor tries and tries and then gives up and re-loads the CD in iTunes. Fuck.

Already called AppleCare and they couldn't figure out anything. They just told me to either mail it in or take it to an Apple store. So, any tips before I make the long trek tomorrow morning? Sigh.

― Mickey (modestmickey), Sunday, 26 March 2006 21:34 (twenty years ago)

Did you put a shaped or a spraypainted cd in? I don't have Black1

― R.I.P. West Village Bird Shaman ]-`: (ex machina), Sunday, 26 March 2006 21:53 (twenty years ago)

our imac loves to eat Cds

― Mr Jones (Mr Jones), Sunday, 26 March 2006 22:22 (twenty years ago)

Mickey did you try starting up your iBook while holding down the eject key?

― jed_ (jed), Sunday, 26 March 2006 22:30 (twenty years ago)

or the mouse button

― stet (stet), Sunday, 26 March 2006 22:32 (twenty years ago)

jed, stet, just tried that. No go.

This CD won't fucking come out. Any other ideas before I take it to the shop?

― Mickey (modestmickey), Monday, 27 March 2006 00:51 (twenty years ago)

Haha ok I just got it fixed. For anybody else who encounters this, here was the solution. I found it on this article:

http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=1777942�

I know this sounds completely stupid but...

I tried to insert one of those small CDs into my iBook's drive hoping it would pull it in an read it like a normal cd by now its stuck inside. Should I bring it into the Apple Store to have it taken out or is there a much easier way for me to get it out such as tweezers or something? I really don't want to have to leave it at the store as I need it for school but I need the drive working. Thank you for any assistance!

For the record, I was not stupid enough to try putting an abnormally sized CD in the drive.

Ok oddly my father told me to hold it up, turn it sideways with the drive opening facing down and shake it once. The cd popped enough out to grab onto it and take it completely out. lWOw problem solved quickly hehe.

But this did work. I held the computer sideways and tried to eject it while shaking and it came right out. Man.

― Mickey (modestmickey), Monday, 27 March 2006 01:17 (twenty years ago)

my ipod died today :-(

― tehresa (tehresa), Monday, 27 March 2006 02:26 (twenty years ago)

RIP

― latebloomer: My name *COCKS SHOTGUN* is Horace! (latebloomer), Monday, 27 March 2006 02:34 (twenty years ago)

I don't know why people deploy ext3 when reiser etc are available.

Because ext3 is better for the job, obv. It's more reliable than reiserfs, performs much better (IMX) on large files, and doesn't have much that reiserfs doesn't have.

I might consider using XFS if I had a system on a very reliable UPS that I was sure wouldn't go down unexpectedly. Not otherwise, though - if a machine gets turned off with XFS filesystems mounted, you *will* lose data. What other serious alternatives on Linux are there?

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 27 March 2006 05:11 (twenty years ago)

no, you must use the most l33t homebrew unproven OSS filesystem you can find.

― Ed (dali), Monday, 27 March 2006 05:14 (twenty years ago)

Hahaha! Sorry, Ed, I was forgetting :-)

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 27 March 2006 05:28 (twenty years ago)

I love that Newtonian physics still applies to some bogaboos of modern computing technology.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 27 March 2006 05:31 (twenty years ago)

In fact why haven't you written your own, mine uses the bubbles in roquefort cheese as a model for byte storage.

― Ed (dali), Monday, 27 March 2006 05:32 (twenty years ago)

er BUGaboos

xpost!!

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 27 March 2006 05:32 (twenty years ago)

Ed I was about to ask why you are up this early, but I forgot about the time changing over there.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 27 March 2006 05:33 (twenty years ago)

I should have left to work by now, but there was some cold speck, pancetta and porcini pizza to deal with.

― Ed (dali), Monday, 27 March 2006 05:35 (twenty years ago)

I'm sure they'll understand.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 27 March 2006 05:39 (twenty years ago)

I wasn't at the office when I posted above, but I am now. Bleah.

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 27 March 2006 06:15 (twenty years ago)

I don't seem to have any time change issues, I was woken up early yesterday morning by my mother's dog licking my feet.

― Ed (dali), Monday, 27 March 2006 06:33 (twenty years ago)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060328/ap_en_bu/britain_apple_vs__apple

― Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 15:57 (twenty years ago)

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