2020 Democratic presidential primary

Maybe. The GOP inspires strong devotion, like a sports team. And people become more entrenched in their right wing worldviews by consuming media outlets that definitely benefit from there being politicians and candidates they can get behind—a single party with vast power.

There are people who have reported their family members adopted new was of thinking from fox news. Maybe they had some right wing tendencies before but they didn’t build their identity around it until it was presented to them in a certain kind of package.

I think that entire right wing ecosystem—feedback between media and the party—is a maybe deadly illness for the coutnry. Something really needs to change on that side

I’m not predicting it will happen but it just needs to

Politico reports:

Washington Gov. Jay Inslee on Friday all but secured a spot on the Democratic presidential debate stage next month, after collecting the 65,000th individual donor of his campaign.

The Democratic National Committee has given candidates two paths to get into its first primary debates in June and July: hitting the 65,000 donor mark or getting at least 1 percent support in three or more qualifying polls. Inslee, who launched his presidential campaign in March, has already passed the polling mark.

Treesh can you confine this shtick to a less silly thread

re Booker's single-digit polling, maybe ppl are reading

https://newrepublic.com/article/153778/cory-booker-foot-soldier-betsy-devos

My God, I just listened to a 15-minute discussion of Booker's Iowa game on WNYC -- all horse race, and it was so. fucking. boring.

how did gabbneb sound?

It was an NJTV reporter, not prestigious enough to be gabby.

No 'kiddie table' at June debate:

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/05/24/democrats-undercard-june-1344368

They should do it anyway if they are really concerned—to make a point. However they won’t because they don’t really care.

― Trϵϵship, Friday, 24 May 201

This doesn't make any sense? Why would the republicans primary Trump? If I was a republican I'd be annoyed at any chump that tried to primary him, after I'd finished laughing. Trump has 105% approval rating with Republicans, he's giving them what they want

Bill Weld is on the ballot. Recent history shows that incumbent presidents who are even marginally challenged in NH go on to lose the general election:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/political_commentary/commentary_by_kyle_kondik/trump_s_primary_goal_avoiding_a_new_hampshire_hiccup

It makes sense to primary him if you care about anything beyond the success of the party. But they don’t. So yeah, they support him—that’s my point.

But if I think my party is right for the country, why would I want rid of the guy I think is doing great?

And challenge him on what anyway? lack of civility? What exactly is it he's doing that would upset Republicans? All the effort of primarying just to get someone the same but muted and civil? Might as well wait and vote for Biden in the general instead

idk. he seems like a lunatic to me and i think it's dangerous to have someone like that in the most powerful office on earth.

he also has been pretty cruel to individual fellow republicans, from his opponents in the primary to former members of his cabinet and beyond. like, agreeing to have him as the head of your party means you pretty much need to submit to his whims or else get bullied. i wouldn't want to be part of a club like that

the latter concern is less noble for sure

like, i actually get kind of sickened when i see ted cruz suck up to trump, the man who told the world his wife was ugly. it's not even political. as a human being you're supposed to have a backbone.

Sure, these are all great arguments for a) why not to be a republican, and b) not to have Trump in a position of power. But where is c) why would republicans not want Trump in power?

yeah, you're right--to be a republican means you're part of a political project that further benefits the wealthy at the expense of everyone else as well as the environment. so trump is a perfect leader for this movement.

agreeing to have him as the head of your party means you pretty much need to submit to his whims or else get bullied.

Right wing parties always have a preference for hierarchy and the role of a strongman or king. Any dislike for authority is merely upset that is located with the person (or more likely, group of people). Hatred of those below and deference to those above are part of the rules. People loved the king because he was the king not because of how he treated them

Royalists never argued the king had the best policies!

it's the thing that revolts me most in the world, honestly -- this idea of hierarchy

and especially revering some piece of shit grifter who lies all the time, who is devoid of warmth, humor, compassion, and integrity. i've gone through this though.

it's the thing that revolts me most in the world, honestly -- this idea of hierarchy

Right, so expecting criticizisms of Trumps' actions, words or person to make a difference is totally missing the point. If Conservatism is merely hierarchicalism, then attacking the table manners of the king isn't going to work

and feeding into the idea of it being "a bad king", well, ok the king dies and we get his son who doesn't dribble at the table, now what?

yeah. yo, have you heard of this weirdo? a classics scholar who believes trump is a tragic hero

https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/the-classicist-who-sees-donald-trump-as-a-tragic-hero

seems connected. he's deeply flawed, but the flaws aren't flaws, somehow he's a figure of historical necessity. it's so cultish. trump is just a con artist and attention whore.

i take back the term at the end there because it's disrespectful to sex workers

omg

*coughs at thread title*

when is treeship's rumspringa over?

ok sure.

we're all biden supporters here, right?

lol yerac

hahaha

just did a little wikipedia journey there, but treesh you better end up baptized in the faith

or leave?...whatever is best for you. i'm new to rumspringa but i wish the best for oyu

dammit

It makes sense to primary him if you care about anything beyond the success of the party. But they don’t. So yeah, they support him—that’s my point.

― Trϵϵship, Saturday, May 25, 2019 11:34 AM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

they’re getting the policies and, even more importantly, the judges confirmed they want. republicans are bad people and they want bad things to happen, I’m not sure why his support is hard to understand

if it's Saturday afternoon, it must be tree time!

Bill Weld is on the ballot. Recent history shows that incumbent presidents who are even marginally challenged in NH go on to lose the general election:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/political_commentary/commentary_by_kyle_kondik/trump_s_primary_goal_avoiding_a_new_hampshire_hiccup🕸

lol that is statistical illiteracy at its finest

he's got a touch of william weld

Weldschmerz

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D7m-sEvX4AECn5g.jpg

beto standing on a table

White people love this gesture, no matter their height -- they pretend (and believe) that it gives them moral stature.

i thought bernie was gonna be hillary yelling at a cloud

where's warren tho

she made the meme herself

The dumbest form of Democratic politics is believing Trump is not going to "be able" to lie about your preferred candidate, receive massive free media coverage for doing so, and get plenty of people to believe whatever his team decides to make up. Goal of 2020 is to start with the assumption that's going to happen and win from there.

Goal of 2020 should be to pick someone that has a) good policies that are popular,, and b) can win - and focus on that