Seizing back control: The ILX lol brexit is how we're all gonna die thread.

precision is def unlikely and mb not even desirable; the chaos and deniability that come w/ having things more dispersed can be useful in itself

from what i gather reading the twitter threads of ppl who cover internal chinese affairs professionally, it's been the case there ever since a chinese internet was established -- though the lines between private and state official are of course very differently drawn in that context (where everyone e.g. assumes the mods are state employees), and a sincerely patriotic citizen might be p much indistinguishable from a nark.

i haven't yet read yasha levine's "surveillance valley" -- but his argument is also very much that the wilder tech-piratical zones of the freedom-of-information freedom-from-interference infosphere, viz the EFF and Tor and so on, is and always has been stiff with government agency and government presence. you find and establish and run an unlicensed zone in order to place yourselves among the people who are likely to want to use such a thing blah blah blah.

and even here on our own dear ilx there's *insert unlikely username to hilarious surprise effect*

"yeah i mean i know how digitally incompetent government are, and how poorly conceived their goals are.."

is this coming from GCHQ rather than a gov dept though? They might be shit hot at this type of thing, they used to be i think.*

*apart from the 30's/50's decades of giving the keys to all their top secret files to various posh tankies, who used to often openly say things like "I'm a communist tbh" and start singing drunken renditions of the internationale at embassy parties without rousing suspicion.

yeah that's true actually, at least technically i suppose. i dunno if they are any better at actually functioning and setting goals, or understanding the public, but who knows really.

when I considered that [a certain poster] might be a chaos agent sent here to derail discussion and demotivate ilxors as directed by some oppressive state the veil was truly lifted

you have your answer, calz, they were always v bad at it -- what knowledge there is about the large-scale effects of information massaging is largely based on public assumptions that are already widely known and shared but by no means actually correct

the bad part of access to private data isn't "oh no they can now hoodwink all the dullards with machine-precision", it's that quite bad people have quite good access to all kinds of private information, which they can deploy in quite old-fashioned (= non-mass-media) ways

"widely known … but by no means actually correct" isn't very good usage, i mean "assumed to be known"

next Adam Curtis series already has this sorted.

when I considered that [a certain poster] might be a chaos agent sent here to derail discussion and demotivate ilxors as directed by some oppressive state the veil was truly lifted

― ogmor, Thursday, 23 May 2019 14:39 (seventeen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

fred b, lj or me

I thought he meant turrican

'but these likes, were not actually from people at all' - *burial interlude*

xpost

lol!

dude it's so obviously me

why all this talk of chaos agents? in my view it is time we got back to trashing the government once again, is it not?

everyone on ilx apart from me is a chaos agent iirc

why can't corbyn be young and dynamic like me

It is possible for Mrs May to quit as Conservative leader before Mr Trump's visit, but continue as prime minister on a caretaker basis

stoked 4 dis

https://media.giphy.com/media/GnH8umkZ7Rs5O/giphy.gif

strong look for may tbh

https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.ytimg.com%2Fvi%2FcN56PHfAFQA%2Fmaxresdefault.jpg&f=1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVrMsKlZlcQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiZ-XgJKAIk

this is a good run of posts

having no exit poll is a bit of dampener. They need to start thinking of how to increase Johnston Paints Trophy attendances, no fun at all is this.

It is possible for Mrs May to quit as Conservative leader before Mr Trump's visit, but continue as prime minister on a caretaker basis

She'll need to get down to Sidcup for her papers first.

luckily for democracy i had to go to the shops cos otherwise i've got a stinking cold and did not want to leave the settee

this is great

"The working class is the working class, regardless of skin colour".

Labour member and activist Guy Matthews on how the right will never represent the working class. pic.twitter.com/cQNrTrfEF6

— Labour Voices (@VoicesLabour) May 22, 2019

That was a good piece & they should do something like that officially!

As explained in today’s ⁦@EveningStandard⁩, the Theresa May premiership is over. Am reliably told she’ll announce tomorrow she’s stepping down on 10 June, after US state visit. https://t.co/djivjHalHx

— George Osborne (@George_Osborne) May 23, 2019

Imagine hanging round just to meet Donald Trump.

maybe she's got a milkshake for him

https://www.anorak.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/david-mellor.jpg

David Mellor says cos of May's lame leadership he's "never felt more embarrassed and humiliated" to be a member of the Conservatives.

good thread on CON electoral difficulties

Everybody seems to have forgotten that the Conservatives *won* a surprise 2015 majority while Nigel Farage had 4 million votes, then lost the majority 2017 with Ukip on 2% & most of those voters for May.

That was the long lost world of 4 years ago but shows not one-dimensional

— Sunder Katwala (@sundersays) May 24, 2019

BREXIT PARTY MILKSHAKE MAN: A SPLATTER ANALYSIS pic.twitter.com/qZKqJDzCzs

— Harvey (@harveyschmacker) May 23, 2019

false flag milkshake attack seems about the level those cunts would stoop to.

Hearty lol at 'CSI: Gammon' in the comments there

Milkshake man is also an ex-Para cleared of shooting an Irishman fleeing in the back, because of fucking course.

Extremely mad that I might miss this alleged resignation today, hang on until the bitter end Theresa!

What probably happened was the auld geezer was struggling to take the top of his McD milkshake and next thing you know...

Tory Minister Tobias Ellwood on Newsnight says May’s vague referendum offer had to be made because - as a minority - they had to talk to Labour. That offer now looks like it will finally sink May. And Labour still rejected the offer: I admit I’m impressed.

— James Mackenzie (@mrjamesmack) May 22, 2019

loads of highly impressed FBPErs are congratulating Corbz on his destructive (on brexit and Tories) ambiguity right now.

they are setting out the podium in front of number 10 on BBC1 at the moment...

greater manchester police have been bravely charging suicidal ppl with traffic offences

May should call an election. For the LOLZ

how many times has now has may announced that she will definitely absolutely resign at some point in the future probably for sure maybe

7th june

rip big man

Congrats to the Tories

Waaaaaaaaahmbulance for Tresemmé

"The country I [inaudible croaking]"

Goodbye, May! pic.twitter.com/6MnExjNJMU

— PEANUTS (@Snoopy) May 31, 2018

lol happy birthday to me, plz gift me the PREVAILING OF THE SENSE

Next time a Tory has a go at Sunny Jim Callaghan and brings up the Winter of Discontent point them in the direction of the pair of absolute clowns they've inflicted on the country over the last decade.

Missed the whole thing, watching it back & switched off as soon as she mentioned Sir Nicholas Winterton’a advice, which she completely ignored.