HBO's adaptation of Game of Thrones - Thread 2. There are a lot of nerds.

Yeah, that "why do you think I came all this way" line has no good readings for Bran

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rip fan theories

GoT is different than Lost in that there were many fan theories that would have been much better than what actually happened, whereas the GoT fan theories are almost uniformly lame

what actually happened at the end of Lost I mean

It's obvious that making Bran king is a terrible idea because Tyrion came up with it.

I also remembered how drunk he was the night he heard Bran's supposedly incredible story.

sawyer was the horse

I don't remember a single good fan-theory about Lost? But the not knowing was definitely better than the knowing :(

Extremely glad the shittiest fan theory of them all (Tyrion/anyone besides Jon being secret Targaryens) died an unmourned death. Thanks, terrible s8!

Lost needed fan theories, because the vast majority of the show made little to no sense. GoT generated fan theories because fans thought their ideas were better.

To be fair to the fans, they were.

Like, was it here or elsewhere, or both, that someone suggested what a clever fake out it would have been had the white walkers skipped Winterfell entirely and gone straight to King's Landing, only for the good guys to discover a zombified city? That would have been pretty cool, and would have set up a better final battle that finally paid off literally years of building up the ice zombies as the greatest threat in the history of mankind.

We talked about it. I was a big believer that it would be the case, it was called "The Night King Is Not Stupid" theory

Yeah. But it was way too optimistic. When the writers are stupid, all the characters are stupid.

screen time spend building up Dany's quest for Iron Throne vs. time spent building up zombie invasion pretty lopsided though

I definitely do like the "Bran is evil" theory, but maybe not-so-much "evil" as he foresaw that Thanos needed to snap and time travel needed to be invented and the stones needed to be stolen from the past so that everybody could be saved in the future

idk maybe the Night King didn't have a map or any newspapers or history books or ability to send out spies or....

Bran is basically Doctor Strange with no powers.

Which is to say that I guess a parallel could be drawn between Strange giving the Chaos Emerald to Josh Brolin and Bran giving the secret dossier to Jon Snow

Dr. Branhattan

I for one can't wait for a new round of Kingdom Hearts where we've got Cloud Strife and Arya Stark and Black Widow and Captain Picard and LEGO Batman all going toe-to-toe against Saruman, Darth Maul and John Wick

Would have liked to see Night King 1000 year empire destroyed by walker Sam’s referendum proposing representative walker democracy which it turns out does enfranchise dogs and goats etc...

can bran see the future, or just the past

I think I read that he can see the past but only some of the future? Doesn't really matter if he doesn't tell anyone anything.

"I can see the future!"

"OK, who wins the World Series?"

"I know, but I cannot tell."

GoT is different than Lost in that there were many fan theories

To me the critical difference is that somewhere in season 2 of Lost it became apparent that they were just pulling more and more random mysteries out of their ass and it would never resolve satisfactorily, so I quit watching. Thrones gave the opposite impression.

It's just that with some of these proposed "better" endings I'm seeing, they are so bad that I can't tell if people are being serious

The mysteries/machinations in GoT were compelling, imo. If Lost suffered from an inability to reach resolution, GoT suffered from an apparent disinterest in it.

Tbf to Lost, it had a few 22-episode seasons to fill and no books to fall back on, not to mention cast members bailing left and right. GOT had (almost) every imaginable advantage

To me the critical difference is that somewhere in season 2 of Lost it became apparent that they were just pulling more and more random mysteries out of their ass and it would never resolve satisfactorily, so I quit watching. Thrones gave the opposite impression.

i just realized that daenerys never actually sat on the throne. she just touched the arm of it before receiving the kiss of death

1) There were multiple fan theories that would have been superior to the story that we saw.

2) Even if you wanted to tell the story we saw, the creators’ decision to waste massive amounts of time on inconsequential shit for three plus seasons, then rush to truncate the story in a haphazard fashion, is indefensible.

Just so it’s clear above, I am not advocating for a longer show (dear god, no), just cutting out massive wastes of time, like Tyrion and Jorah jerking off in the gladiator pits, endless quagmire of Mereen, etc.

Now that I think about it, eliminating Dany from the show would be a vast improvement, lol.

I've often thought Dany could have disappeared from s1 until Tyrion goes to find her and you'd lose nothing

*the end of s1

I've often thought Dany could have disappeared from s1 until Tyrion goes to find her and you'd lose nothing

Enh, you could elucidate all that with Grey Worm, Missandei and some well-written dialogue.

Definitely preferable to the repetitive slog we got.

Eliminate all the characters except Ned and have the last 7 seasons be a shot of his severed head as it decays

Now we're getting somewhere.

a lot of budding screenwriters out there!

i do think there's an inherent danger in letting showrunners co-direct the final episode. it's hard enough to tell D&D that something is dumb, probably even harder when they're the co-directors. the whole auteur thing seems to work best when the auteur is really good

Well yeah, but for better or worse, the writers tried to tell a story of how the thirst for power can lead even the most well-meaning people to commit atrocious acts. And clearly the idea was to make Dany into a viewpoint character, someone whose journey and hardships and victories the viewers could identify, so that her eventual decline into despotism would hit them hard and emphasise their chosen theme. It's arguable whether they succeeded in doing what they set to do, but it certainly wouldn't have worked at all if Dany wasn't one of the main characters.

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I've often thought Dany could have disappeared from s1 until Tyrion goes to find her and you'd lose nothing
I too also think this show should have had fewer female lead characters with any agency.

hahahah!

enh, repeating the same savior arc for four seasons is a boring use of agency

can bran see the future, or just the past

Actor Isaac Hempstead-Wright, who plays Bran in the show, admitted that the scope of his character's premonitions are limited. "As I understand it, Bran can’t exactly see the future. I think he can have inklings," he told the New York Times in an interview about Season 8. For example, when he gave Arya the Valyrian steel catspaw dagger last season, he knew she'd use it for something important, but not that she'd specifically kill the Night King with it, the actor explained.

Yeah it's like when Young Ned could almost hear Bran. Maybe future Bran yells at past Bran knowing he'll get just enough of the gist.

In conclusion my spinoff idea is called The Lawnmower Bran

I too also think this show should have had fewer female lead characters with any agency.

Not buying this. Cersei, Arya, Sansa, and Brienne were the best characters. You want to turn any number of male characters into female roles, I’m fine with that. Eliminating the white savior character with a single facial expression is no loss.

Why no love for Diana Rigg?

best main characters

rigg was top 3 multi-season tertiaries tho