2020 Democratic presidential primary

When i search biden the first result i get is an actblue link that he is “wrong for america” and a thing to sign to get gravel to the debates

the fact of how far ahead he is in this crowded a field is deeply concerning to me but yes, it is very early

And it can’t just be name recognition—everyone knows who bernie sanders is

But you could argue that it's name recognition driving the fact that biden and sanders are well ahead in the early going -- the fact that lots of dems prefer biden to sanders if those are the only two choices is maybe not a huge surprise, but I don't think it's obvious there's no hope for the twenty-some candidates who are still pretty unknown to the median voter at this point.

It would just be warren or harris really.

Buttigieg, maybe, could seem like a new obama. I think that’s the field. Booker, Beto, Gillibrand et al don’t seem like they will be able to find a niche.

So what we're saying is that Sanders should drop out to leave room for Warren?

well, look at what all the voters have said!

stupid
motherfucking
politics

Biden was vice president though, and people remember the Obama years fondly... that's going to give much better recognition than Bernie Sanders has, "recognition" is not a binary and Biden has a shit ton more than another Dem candidate could except like Taylor Swift (who could probably win)

does anyone else have the feeling that "electable" biden could well lose to trump?

easily

any of them could lose to trump.

except bernie, who would've won

i don't think he'll have the same issues as hillary though. she was perceived as kind of sneaky and power-hungry (a narrative that was wrapped up in a lot of sexism) and biden is generally seen as, if anything, too guileless

he'll do bad with young progressives but i don't think the midwest will be a problem. this according to the leaves at the bottom of my teacup

I...actually don't think he'd lose to Trump? Unless progressives desert him, which is a possibility.

But that's the case if the election were held today.

My problem is Biden's putting the Dem Party backward another decade should he win.

not to mention he would be almost 82 by the 2024 election

and that!

i agree with alfred. the idea he is selling -- that there is a "decent middle ground" -- is a dangerous fantasy. the GOP puts partisanship over governing every single time and you can't bring a pop-psych book on conflict mediation to a gunfight.

boy is biden’s presence in the race depressing me. please go away

boy is biden’s presence in the race depressing me. please go away

boy is biden’s presence in the race depressing me. please go away

Trump is quite beatable in 2019; he's not Obama in 2012, nor Bush or Clinton in 2004 and 1996, respectively. He barely won, and I suspect Wisconsin and Michigan are safely back in Dem hands. Not Ohio or North Carolina. I'm not sure about my Florida. Philadelphia I'd have to check with my local people.

His losing means we gotta get the right Dem in the White House.

he's going to run some kind of fucked up psy-op campaign, perhaps involving opening an investigation into his opponent

yeah I agree about that, and it's hard to guess which candidate would be most impervious

well, yeah

warren might be the most impervious. the native american ancestry stuff made her look silly, maybe, but 1.) it already feels like ancient history and 2.) it didn't lead to her appearing sinister. i can't see a "pizzagate" type controversy sticking to warren yet it could for bernie, i feel.

warren presents her left wing policies as pragmatic rather than radical. she is at worst kind of dorky. but that is so refreshing in contrast to trump, the living embodiment of all seven deadly sins

The Gravel teens put the blade into Buttigieg:

Sen. Gravel on Pete Buttigieg and LGBTQ+ rights pic.twitter.com/pOQz0uTkT1

— Mike Gravel (@MikeGravel) May 10, 2019

it's not just the teens (if there are any). Gravel himself dismissed Buttigieg for being too gay or something in that video interview. this statement looks at least in part like an attempt to justify that

I think the formal statements are pretty much all Gravel.

The McKinsey Cypher!

It's no "Psychedlic Warlord" but I love it

what if gravel wins

90 year old president

Relax, it's just two 45 year old presidents in a long coat.

Elizabeth Warren to become Fox News' target of choice in 3...2...1...

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worked for AOC

i think her reasoning on why it's not a good idea for democratic candidates to participate in Fox News debates/town halls is solid, too

worked for AOC

Honestly, I think it's a great idea for both the reasons stated and because once every Fox talking head starts screaming her name with bloodshot rage-eyes six times an hour, the other cable networks, craven cunts that they are, will start covering her more too, and she'll get her message amplified to the degree it deserves.

I think she's right, but I also remember how everyone fretted about Bernie going on Fox, and then when it was done, it was considered a major win for him, so who knows?

ultimately I think it was fine for Bernie to do it, but if you're not going to do it then the way Warren went about declining is absolutely the way to go, just go scorched-earth on those assholes.

I think she's right, but I also remember how everyone fretted about Bernie going on Fox, and then when it was done, it was considered a major win for him, so who knows?

that's the thing, though - the benefits of doing it are tangible and happen immediately, while the negatives are much harder to quantify and play out over long periods of time.

it was fun to see bernie do well and that the fox audience agreed with him (eg, support for medicare for all) over the protests of the moderator. and of course, his message reached some of the typical fox audience that night and maybe even changed the minds of some of them.

but it also strengthened the legitimacy of ...actually, i don't know why i'm trying to rephrase what warren already said in the message unperson posted above. those things are harder to measure

She is consistently blazingly right about everything.

And then there's Biden.

In New Hampshire, Joe Biden predicts that once President Trump is out of office, Republicans will have “an epiphany” and work with Democrats toward consensus.

— Sahil Kapur (@sahilkapur) May 14, 2019

lol

it was all just a dream...

a foolproof strategy

it's safe to say he doesn't actually believe that, right? i mean he was there for 8 years of republican stonewalling. so is his hope that this kind of rhetoric will win over former trump voters?

I don't think it's safe to say that at all.

I think he talks like a dolt because he is one.

probably true