2020 Democratic presidential primary

we are still preposterously early here. fwiw sanders did not declare his candidacy officially until may 26, 2015. things could - i'd go so far as to say 'will' - look wildly different in three or six months.

clinging to the safest, most mainstream choice

like they did in 2016!

but the Democratic party has completely changed since then. I heard it on a podcast.

we are still preposterously early here

otm

every campaign cycle needs a new Romney

I don’t think there was much of a choice given to Dem voters in 2016. I think in some ways Biden is a much more regressive choice in 2020 than Hillary was in 2016. xp

is it early, of course. we all remember when giuliani and fred thompson were frontrunners. and herman cain. and michele bachmann, for a couple days.

but, uh. i think people who don't want to have to urge people to vote for joe fucking biden for the next 18 months should be concerned.

of course i'm concerned there's just very little i can do about it at the moment?

developing the defeatjoebiden.com social network, of course

It's really, really early, but that post-announcement bounce for Biden was a lot larger than expected, no?

guys i might not be remembering right but... is joe biden's OG presidential run the origin of the phrase "name-mentum"...??

iirc all of those early "leads" by Lieberman, Guiliani, etc. were in the teens and 20s, not over 40%.

xpost real answer in my post

Think it was Joe Lieberman. xp

also, it became clear that joe biden is the leader that this country needs. only he has the experience and wisdom needed to bring out country back from the depths that the one-time aberration donald trump, an outlier that has nothing to do with the rest of US history, has led us into

― these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Monday, 13 May 2019 15:18 (one hour ago) Permalink

This is why people like him. They want this to be the case.

It’s disappoing but this huge lead might not be an aberration. And it can’t just be name recognition—everyone knows who bernie sanders is

When i search biden the first result i get is an actblue link that he is “wrong for america” and a thing to sign to get gravel to the debates

the fact of how far ahead he is in this crowded a field is deeply concerning to me but yes, it is very early

And it can’t just be name recognition—everyone knows who bernie sanders is

But you could argue that it's name recognition driving the fact that biden and sanders are well ahead in the early going -- the fact that lots of dems prefer biden to sanders if those are the only two choices is maybe not a huge surprise, but I don't think it's obvious there's no hope for the twenty-some candidates who are still pretty unknown to the median voter at this point.

It would just be warren or harris really.

Buttigieg, maybe, could seem like a new obama. I think that’s the field. Booker, Beto, Gillibrand et al don’t seem like they will be able to find a niche.

So what we're saying is that Sanders should drop out to leave room for Warren?

well, look at what all the voters have said!

stupid
motherfucking
politics

Biden was vice president though, and people remember the Obama years fondly... that's going to give much better recognition than Bernie Sanders has, "recognition" is not a binary and Biden has a shit ton more than another Dem candidate could except like Taylor Swift (who could probably win)

does anyone else have the feeling that "electable" biden could well lose to trump?

easily

any of them could lose to trump.

except bernie, who would've won

i don't think he'll have the same issues as hillary though. she was perceived as kind of sneaky and power-hungry (a narrative that was wrapped up in a lot of sexism) and biden is generally seen as, if anything, too guileless

he'll do bad with young progressives but i don't think the midwest will be a problem. this according to the leaves at the bottom of my teacup

I...actually don't think he'd lose to Trump? Unless progressives desert him, which is a possibility.

But that's the case if the election were held today.

My problem is Biden's putting the Dem Party backward another decade should he win.

not to mention he would be almost 82 by the 2024 election

and that!

i agree with alfred. the idea he is selling -- that there is a "decent middle ground" -- is a dangerous fantasy. the GOP puts partisanship over governing every single time and you can't bring a pop-psych book on conflict mediation to a gunfight.

boy is biden’s presence in the race depressing me. please go away

boy is biden’s presence in the race depressing me. please go away

boy is biden’s presence in the race depressing me. please go away

Trump is quite beatable in 2019; he's not Obama in 2012, nor Bush or Clinton in 2004 and 1996, respectively. He barely won, and I suspect Wisconsin and Michigan are safely back in Dem hands. Not Ohio or North Carolina. I'm not sure about my Florida. Philadelphia I'd have to check with my local people.

His losing means we gotta get the right Dem in the White House.

he's going to run some kind of fucked up psy-op campaign, perhaps involving opening an investigation into his opponent

yeah I agree about that, and it's hard to guess which candidate would be most impervious

well, yeah

warren might be the most impervious. the native american ancestry stuff made her look silly, maybe, but 1.) it already feels like ancient history and 2.) it didn't lead to her appearing sinister. i can't see a "pizzagate" type controversy sticking to warren yet it could for bernie, i feel.

warren presents her left wing policies as pragmatic rather than radical. she is at worst kind of dorky. but that is so refreshing in contrast to trump, the living embodiment of all seven deadly sins

The Gravel teens put the blade into Buttigieg:

Sen. Gravel on Pete Buttigieg and LGBTQ+ rights pic.twitter.com/pOQz0uTkT1

— Mike Gravel (@MikeGravel) May 10, 2019

it's not just the teens (if there are any). Gravel himself dismissed Buttigieg for being too gay or something in that video interview. this statement looks at least in part like an attempt to justify that

I think the formal statements are pretty much all Gravel.

The McKinsey Cypher!

It's no "Psychedlic Warlord" but I love it

what if gravel wins

90 year old president

Relax, it's just two 45 year old presidents in a long coat.