Seizing back control: The ILX lol brexit is how we're all gonna die thread.

An emergency food bank has been set up in the Whitehall offices of a government department after cleaners and other support staff became the victims of a payroll blunder - no wages since March - by one of Britain’s biggest outsourcing companies.https://t.co/gmr1qeZRWz

— Labour Whips (@labourwhips) May 12, 2019

and these cunts think brexit is their only problem.

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The forensic ethnography of The North continues. pic.twitter.com/jJqFNinUto

— Elvis Buñuelo (@Mr_Considerate) May 13, 2019

Fuck me it's 12 already better get on it

In the south but as its warm day and all I will be going for a quick one at lunch in solidarity with our Brexit friends in the north.

Sebastian Payne has never been in a pub before, let alone a Working Men's Club. Anyway, they don't serve 12 year olds.

is yorkshire an airport

You know you’re in Yorkshire when you see pints at 1030... pic.twitter.com/sYP51mJ6Qm

— Lewis Goodall (@lewis_goodall) May 13, 2019

Spoons starts serving at 9 you fucking lightweight

Meanwhile, This Milkshake Kills Fascists (again!)

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9047183/ukip-carl-benjamin-sargon-of-akkad-milkshake/

... or, a new one this, fish

https://metro.co.uk/2019/05/11/fish-thrown-at-ukip-candidate-carl-benjamin-after-he-tweeted-about-raping-jess-phillips-9499074/

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slimy creature from the depths attacked with some fish

The only thing that confuses me about this choad is didn't he purport to be some kind of "just following the logic ma'am" internet intellectual at some point rather than making Yakkety-Yax look like a class act?

I am sorry to say that I am a bit obsessed with how much I hate this Sargon person. He reminds me so much of the worst people I've ever met.

It's kind of horrifying that cunts like this exist, half of my mates are the gammoniest of reactionaries and they seem like angels of decency compared to this shitehawk

Feel sad for the fish, but can't deny I absolutely love that a woman from Truro throws fish in protest.

A pasty made of solid tin would have been better still.

a loving hug from the family he never truly had

actually i don't really want to know the sargon creation legend, he's probably just a cunt with gammon masonic parents who went particularly batshit at posh school

he's married with 2 kids apparently ;_; ;_;

a loving hug from the family he never truly had

this tho <3 <3 <3

stop being beastly to kaknads of argos

rly we'd need to unretire nakhers for one post if we really wanted to skewer this guy

Lol, yes that will do it

I mean, I would like if Labour was a remain and reform party, but it's not yet and I'm not sure what Tom Watson thinks he'll benefit by claiming it is.

he thinks he has the pulse of the labour membership and will ride this wave to the leadership

stay away from those anabolic steroids kids.

centrism's a hell of a drug

I suppose there is an argument that Labour is in danger of haemorrhaging Remain voters next week and tbh I think it's a fairly credible one.

Suspect he's trying to stem the tide, take the credit and then claim he's forced the leadership to change the direction. It's cynical for all the obvious reasons but it's also naive because he should know he's too divisive and untrustworthy a figure and if anyone's going to get the credit for a putative change in direction it'll probably be Starmer.

Cuts both ways. Labour aren't losing as many votes as the Tories according to polls, so is that because of their ambiguous position as a party that some leavers and remainers and ppl in between (ref vote respecter logs online) can vote for?

I put in my postal ballot. Lol and all that.

'Doing better than the Tories' is likely to be a really low bar, though.

Labour aren't losing as many votes as the Tories because the Tories' standing has been artificially inflated by Brexit and that bubble has well and truly burst.

Labour's position at the last election was also boosted at least in part by voters who wanted to give the Tories a kicking for Brexit. Their own Brexit position could still cost them several marginals (including seats they narrowly won last time) and tip the balance in an election. I don't think anyone seriously believes the fence sitting is helping them because no one who voted Leave really believes Labour is a Brexit party anyway.

Obviously Labour's first priority is a general election but there isn't a snowball in hell's chance of one right now because the Tories' own polling is in the toilet and there aren't enough Parliamentary votes to topple them in a VONC. So at what point does Labour admit it can't force an election and change course?

But there aren't enough Parliamentary votes for a second referendum OR any form of Brexit that Labour and the Tories could agree on because the backbench rebellion on both sides would be almost guaranteed to torpedo it. Especially if rebels are emdoldened by this month's election results. A soft Brexit deal ratified by a confirmatory referendum might get through but May is implacably opposed.

All this month's noise does is entrench the stalemate. Meanwhile the clock is ticking again.

They are losing plenty of votes - though we don't know if it's Remainers switching to the Lib Dems or Leavers to the Brexit Party.

I imagine the Lib Dems are picking up a lot of Soft Tory Remainers.

No doubt a 30-odd percent turnout for the EU elections will really shed some light on things

Going "yeah but the turnout" feels like a copout at this stage even if it's true. The turnout could also be low at a GE.

In any case it is complete pie in the sky fantasy land for anyone to seriously believe that a Labour government would be capable of getting its own Brexit deal through Parliament without a big majority and even then it could be tough. Better to ditch the fantasy now rather than be undone by it later.

And of course the longer this tedious dance goes on the worse it is for millions of people's job prospects.

I’m not sure there’s a convincing majority either in parliament or with the general public for anything.

I haven’t sorted out a postal vote so I guess I’m not voting (I blame this equally on my complete despair & my suspicion of postal voting in general ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ )

Turnout was 43% in 2014 and that was enough to spook Cameron into setting us on the course we're now on. It clearly makes a difference and it sure as hell will to the Tories.

Very hard to believe it won't be higher this time round with the debate so inflamed.

If a low turnout can't be used to critique the election results then i guess we'll be enjoying a lot more "will of the people" talk. You'd think whatever numbers the Brexit Party gets will represent more or less the full extent of hardcore Brexitry, but if the same can be applied to LD and Chukwalla votes combined then what conclusion could we draw? About an equal minority on both sides of the question and a majority that doesn't give that much of a fuck and are therefore unlikely to make it a deciding factor in any future general election

not liking this lib dem/brexit party binary. if only there was a party who wanted to end austerity, save the world and stand explicitly against brexit as a sort of cherry on top

Still think it's in the best interests of the Labour Party not to be holding the parcel when the music stops but i'm almost up for them becoming the official Remain party just to fuck off the Tony Robinsons and end this phony war

It would piss on a lot of disingenuous centrist bonfires, that much is true.

It's no phony war, tories will always be tories.

Turnout was 43% in 2014 and that was enough to spook Cameron into setting us on the course we're now on. It clearly makes a difference and it sure as hell will to the Tories.

― Matt DC, Monday, 13 May 2019 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It was 35% for the UK (the 43% was the European average). UKIP came just on top ahead of Labour.

I don't have the breakdown by region but I'm willing to bet it was low in more disengaged -- more Brexity -- areas. Maybe the turnout in those will be higher as they vote for the Brexit party.

I think going from that to saying turnout at the GE will be as low as this (when it was near 70% last time) doesn't scan to me.

From what I've seen so far - the way journalists crowd around Farage and his Brexit Party 'rallies', the utter incomptence of much of the Remain forces (Change UK but also Tom Watson style wrecking) gives you a glimpse as to what a fucking nightmare a 2nd ref would be. And this after all the issues -- Nothern Ireland the most prominent of all -- have been given plenty of air time since that result.

Thank the fucking almighty we aren't doing this!

he's been a bit of a lost cause for a while (since "stoya come to athens"?) but crikey paul mason is a full zoomer

the fence sitting may not be helping labour but it's hurting them less than the alternatives. and the conservatives are in freefall

meanwhile, there's not been a vote in the commons for a month, nigel farage is claiming parliament is conspiring against the people, the government are running on fumes with no legislative timetable, sitting under no queen's speech without the prospect of one on the horizon. not particularly great for our representative democracy

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From https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/RP14-32/RP14-32.pdf

Turnout variations probably had more to do with where there were locals on the same day.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2e/UK_council_results_2014.svg

The high water mark for the UK EU elections is 38% in 2004, FWIW - it's been pretty solidly 32-38% except for 24% in 1999 for some reason.

Sir Angus Deaton report sounds otm, unfortunate name tho.

oh he's going to take five years to conduct a study that proves that there is growing inequality in the UK. Radical!