Seizing back control: The ILX lol brexit is how we're all gonna die thread.

I'm more of a waluigi man ; )

breaking the MLC embargo for this
https://i.imgur.com/6aPsNTO.png

I’m not sure I knew anymore than when I asked the question, lol.

Yeah saw that mess of a tweet earlier, this is why we have the embargo!

The problem with the ubiquitous “but Labour’s result is just as bad, if not worse, than the Tories’,” take, is that losing 80 seats is quite obviously not anywhere near as bad as losing 1,300. pic.twitter.com/fHlRvd341J

— Adam Bienkov (@AdamBienkov) May 3, 2019

I’m sorry but labour and tories lost c.1400 seats

this "9 years into a tory govt" thing is a tacit admission that they are actually scum of the earth who deserve to be murdered by machine gun fire and savage blows from lump hammers.

“9 years into a Tory government,” says the horrified hack who’s voted for them without hesitating every time.

Yes, the Tories may have lost over 1000 councillors, but it has been much worse for Labour. They have lost the entire light entertainment industry.

— Simon Hedges (@Orwell_Fan) May 3, 2019

Laughable how this is being covered in the media tbh.

Also I've just seen the Prime Minister saying Labour have lost 'over a hundred seats', which, er, is not true.

I think if there was a snap general election called tomorrow we'd be almost back to the 2 party hegemony of '17 - albeit with Farage making the Tories sweat + polling like UKIP did at their peak and the Libdems fading away again.

I suppose its a forlorn hope that the BBC might start including Green party politicians as a matter of course instead of random Nazis?

they had one of them on AQ last night, and a random nazi Fraser Nelson giving some balance on climate change. He was basically saying the UK is so green it's not our problem - the subtext being that it's those subhumans in the former colonies who need to get their act together!

Green concerns bit dull and worthy, Nazi concerns make better television.

Only Nazi concerns are legitimate iirc

Also I've just seen the Prime Minister saying Labour have lost 'over a hundred seats', which, er, is not true.

quite, they lost 307! (and gained 244)

let's not try and put a gloss on losing Baldrick, that's like losing 10 Eddie Marsans from the luvvie Blairite squad.

45 years in the party, man and boy, fighting to make sure it didn't do anything to frighten the rich

lol the sitting tory councillor in my district lost to the green candidate 1212 votes to 321. absolutely caned. closure of the village tip last year really did not go down well.

usual novara caveat but this is a good piece on the badness of too many labour councils*

https://novaramedia.com/2019/05/03/barnsleys-electoral-upsets-should-be-a-wake-up-call-to-ancient-labour-councils/

*comrade alphabet upthread said "yes = blairite sludge, get rid" but the problem in many ways predates that even when this description fits the dramatis personae -- as in almost all of lab's big structural and systemic problems go back to the 60s and beyond, with the tinkering attempting to tackle them down the decades often just adding layers of intractability

re the green as a left party: on housing and full employment they are more handwavey than not IMO (i.e. both of these are old actual-left concerns they acknowledge without really tackling) (since the solutions in both cases seem p anti-green = building more housing in green spaces and more jobs in manufacturing)

suspect that both these concerns somewhat fell off the radar during the neo-lib ascendency means that "left" no longer maps well onto what it meant 50 years ago

there was this awful environmental doc about 8 years ago (narrated by late P Postlethwaite) and one of the main characters was someone who promotes green energy projects. He lives in this huge farmhouse with his 9 kids and seemingly has a very catholic outlook on birth control. And he drives about in huge ppl carriers and grimaces at the camera when LA's tell him to get fucked with his green energy projects. I probably quite wrongly generalise that most Green Party ppl are very much like this hypocritical douche was!

friend of mine who did a lot of campaign work for the greens (also an immigrant working a blue collar job, tho from a middle class background, dunno how this all maps onto the UK system) has talked about the eco-fascists who try to infiltrate the party (population control being their big thing), but according to him leadership is well aware and they mostly get shunned whenever they try to pipe up

I voted for the greens when I first moved here and really ecological concerns weren't much to do with it - in pre-Corbyn days they were just the only British party that even remotely resembled what is thought of as the left on the continent

in the 70s and 80s in the UK it was somewhat dominated by rural tory conservation types yes (i.e. back when SNP were also still very evidently mostly tartan tories)

in both cases a big influx of much younger support has shifted them left genuinely -- and challenged some of the old-left shibboleths (e.g. abt big smoky cities as the powerhouse of human liberation)

(digression: i dimly remember scargill's NUM was actually quite good on carbon-footprint stuff but am not sure how to look this up, maybe i shd finally read MR seamas milne's book)

wikipedia on the first leader of the green party (then the ecology party):
"Jonathon Porritt was born in London, the son of The Lord Porritt, 11th Governor-General of New Zealand"

good for him!

my main beef with him is that i always recoil at jonathans who spell their name jonathon, i mean dude, have some dignity

(jonathon green who contrbitued to my conference and book is a lovely and a very interesting fellow mind you)

the greens' current co-leader spells it correctly. progress!

I hope they don't find out about your annual air-miles imago, you might get a reprimand from one of yr heroes :p

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DyizNVtWoAEfcvw.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D5uuKK8WsAAZhSq.jpg

thought I recognised that cunt from the new farage party leaflet.

"we need to keep our democracy intact for future generations" - so I think being Farage's useful idiot is a big step towards achieving that.

I got that leaflet yesterday too, addressed to my fiancee, who is French and...less than likely to be receptive to its message.

No one else has bothered trying to send us anything.

LOL Claire Fox

those Faragian left wing democrats eh? Her with the spiel about taking back the waters is obv hoping the fishermen have very short memories.

I wish i was a Fisherman tumbling on the sea but on the other hand fuck em

I was cursing the Luftwaffe for not committing enough strafing raids on those wankers in Dunkirk.

good lord, the ego pic.twitter.com/pq7mOyobaQ

— ciarán (@schmrn) May 4, 2019

does anyone even know who she is outside the political commentariat?

What the Brexit leaflet photo doesn't reveal is that they've got the aspect ratio hilariously wrong on Nige's head.

he's done

1 wow and ffs at the second para here
2 is someone else going to be sacked for leaking the NSC document

Well that’s certainly not at all concerning. https://t.co/ii3d1JpAu4 pic.twitter.com/y1xQvhzTDs

— James Mackenzie (@mrjamesmack) May 4, 2019

not all concerning that a door slamming teenager with obv insecurity issues would have had a guided tour of the Trident launch room.

I mean, we're assuming he's not the source here.

I’ve changed my mind, williamson is actually the best steve coogan character

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/05/death-threats-man-threw-milkshake-over-tommy-robinson?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

follow up piece on Danyaal Mahmud that sheds more light on what a repellent pos TR is.

On Friday, one of Robinson’s far-right supporters was filmed threatening a teenager holding a milkshake, with “I promise I’ll knock your teeth out”

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_OvnCtKGr6bE/S6akCZAKcvI/AAAAAAAABN4/ipfY8BESYVM/s400/nuts3.gif

was lolling at the Nuts in May lad and his tough pal with a packet of Quavers in his pocket the other day. And also wondering how long they'd last trying to pull that shit in Bradford or Dewsbury town centres i.e. not very long at all unless there was a huge police presence.

*comrade alphabet upthread said "yes = blairite sludge, get rid" but the problem in many ways predates that even when this description fits the dramatis personae -- as in almost all of lab's big structural and systemic problems go back to the 60s and beyond, with the tinkering attempting to tackle them down the decades often just adding layers of intractability

I know that the problem is goes back further. Blairite sludge is the iteration of this issue that I've lived with though. I do think a lot of the answers lie outside Labour.

And its also interesting that, as far as trying to extract meaning from local elections on horribly low turnouts, that Labour lost so litte and basically kept people largely onside. I can see why "they want us to do a deal on Brexit" comes from even if it isn't (and shouldn't) carried out.