Avengers: Infinity War

but listen do you think the movie had a male focus

(you are otm in general)

Was this the first time Nebula got to be a full character? I thought she wasa bit of a cipher or instrument or whatever in the first GoTG and wondered how fulfilling that was for an actress, but here she's at least a fullspeaking part.

she is a fairly well featured character across at least two other of the movies iirc

i did consider leaving t to answer that but look

She's had more to do in all of the other movies than Falcon, but apparently he's earned the right to be Captain America.

Tuomas, you OTM re: the 'Avengers...assemble!' moment with scores of super-dupers rushing to the rescue. No lie, that was the closest this world-weary geezer has come to a feeling of child-like abandon and awe in quite some time. And for the reasons you describe. To have the crazy adventures and melodrama that enthralled me as a kid, sitting alone on my bedroom floor, suddenly recast on a giant screen amidst a crowd of people...it was something else.

xp you got a jockey promoted to god of thunder aint you ever happy

They fleshed her out more properly in GotG 2, and those bits were already well executed by Gunn and Gillan, but it was all still focused on her love/hate sibling relationship with Gamora. This was the first time they let her stand on her own.

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Also, the movie Nebula is almost a completely different character than the comic book Nebula (both visually and personality-wise), who's already a minor character to begin with. So they don't have years worth of characterisation to draw from, like with most of the other characters, so you gotta credit Gillan and Gunn for making her so memorable anyway.

Agree it's fundamentally shit that Gamora and Black Widow die as they did across the two films (regardless of where they go next). Black Widow being the only normal human top tier Avenger not utterly dependent on gadgets never really sat right either tho (at least partly why I found her the dullest).

It took me basically an entire year to realize that they already totally did the thing from Infinity Gauntlet where Thanos reduces Nebula to a shambling ruin, just in an entirely different context. Still would've liked to see her temporarily snag the gauntlet.

i did consider leaving t to answer that but look

― deemsthelarker (darraghmac), Friday, May 3, 2019 1:15 PM (twenty-seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

look at what? Somebody I tend to ignore anyway?

its endearing your brief moments of unfogged tetchiness, be well

gentlemen you can't fight in here this is the infinity war room

lol vg

*golf snap*

They fleshed her out more properly in GotG 2, and those bits were already well executed by Gunn and Gillan, but it was all still focused on her love/hate sibling relationship with Gamora. This was the first time they let her stand on her own.

(xposts)

― Tuomas, Friday, May 3, 2019 1:19 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Also, the movie Nebula is almost a completely different character than the comic book Nebula (both visually and personality-wise), who's already a minor character to begin with. So they don't have years worth of characterisation to draw from, like with most of the other characters, so you gotta credit Gillan and Gunn for making her so memorable anyway.

― Tuomas, Friday, May 3, 2019 1:31 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Thanks for that.

So how many people have shown up to get the Soul Stone unaccompanied, then had to go all the way back to their home planet just to pick up a loved one to murder

— Steph Does Not Have Superhero Fatigue (@stephhasnoname) May 3, 2019

lol

Tuomas, you OTM re: the 'Avengers...assemble!' moment with scores of super-dupers rushing to the rescue. No lie, that was the closest this world-weary geezer has come to a feeling of child-like abandon and awe in quite some time. And for the reasons you describe. To have the crazy adventures and melodrama that enthralled me as a kid, sitting alone on my bedroom floor, suddenly recast on a giant screen amidst a crowd of people...it was something else.

Yeah, this is how it was for me too. It was pretty much the same spine-tingling feeling that I had as a nine-year old, reading the final issue of Secret Wars, where (SPOILERS!) Doom has seemingly killed all the heroes and is savouring his new-found godhood, then Klaw raises the question of whether they died after all, Doom starts to doubt but still keeps on saying they are gone, and... BOOM! Thor's hammer crashers through the wall and the heroes charge on Doom. I never could've imagined I would feel the same sensation again, 30 years later, in a packed cinema, but there you have it.

xxpost Maybe it's all relative to the immediate circumstance. Like if you make the trip solo you just have to throw in your iPod Classic or something.

"I HAVE OTHER ERRANDS, RED SKULL, OK?? I MEAN GEEZ."

Skull: Come back! I was going to make espresso...

I'm interested in learning more about the chain of events that led to the Red Skull becoming a cosmic guardian of a magical stone. Like I assume it involved a lengthy apprenticeship with the In-Betweener involving the finer points of bearing and diction most becoming a demigod.

"Can I not just wear my uniform? Do I have to wear this ghost robe? It seems a little dramatic, and I'm a Nazi, for heaven's sake."

It's kind of poetic now that I think about it. The would-be conqueror managed to finagle stewardship of an infinity stone and an entire planet of his own. Just, y'know, a stone he can't use and a planet that's a barren rock. And he has to dress like a high school graduate for the rest of forever.

Or a high school student attending his graduation, rather. I forget sometimes that continuing to wear the gown is a choice I make daily and not a dictate imposed on all graduates in perpetuity.

It's kind of poetic now that I think about it. The would-be conqueror managed to finagle stewardship of an infinity stone and an entire planet of his own. Just, y'know, a stone he can't use and a planet that's a barren rock. And he has to dress like a high school graduate for the rest of forever.

― Ce Ce Penistongs (Old Lunch), Friday, 3 May 2019 14:40 (twenty-four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is not a bad metaphor for how high-profile/ambitious failures end up in public sector orgs tbh

Yeah this was fine, especially Hulk and Thor.

Several things bugged me though:

SF has just about got its shit together but NYC is still a complete shithole after 5 years with deserted cars still in car parks etc. I get that narrative causality says that the 50% is weighted in favour of the plot (so all Hawkeye's family, all Spidey's school etc) but too many people to play baseball in a city that's been routinely destroyed in these movies? I guess there must be whole countries less 'important' completely unaffected.

Cap goes back in time with just the gems. Yes to the 'what happens when he meets the Red Skull, but how does he get it into Nathalie Portman's bloodstream?

The worst one is in the completely gratuitous A Force scene.
"How do we get this glove through them? <points at Thanos' giant army>"
Dunno, why don't you ask The Wasp? She was literally by the camper van in the preceding scene and has come here just to get in the shot so presumably she just waltzed through them. So give her the glove again and let her take her one step to the side to where it needs to be. (Or if she holds it and shrinks presumably that will work too.)

I didn't think about any of that. I’ve never seen any of the Ant-Man movies though.

New spiderman trailer is nice because it isn't stuffed with superheroes. I would be happy if it stayed that way for the whole movie. The universe needs a break from “everything is a crossover”.

It does have Spider-Man and Nick Fury and Happy Hogan and Maria Hill (and Mysterio) in it tbf

Chris McKenna wrote this, so I'll catch it for free one day and probably enjoy it

xpost Well...

CHRIS IN IN THE FFH CAST???? DONT PLAY WITH MY FEELINGS MARVEL pic.twitter.com/JUlNZguv2A

— hels (@nomadcevans) May 6, 2019

He was in Homecoming in the PSAs if I recall correctly

Meantime, this interview with Jon Watts has a lot going on:

https://www.fandango.com/movie-news/exclusive-interview-spider-man-far-from-home-director-jon-watts-breaks-down-that-wild-new-trailer-753743

Fandango: Gotta ask about Miles Morales, who was hinted at in Homecoming. Does this new multiverse mean we get to meet Miles in this film?

Jon Watts: There is no Miles in this film, or at least not yet. But who knows... we edit these films down to the last second, so you never know.

...

Fandango: In the trailer, Fury says it was the "snap" that caused this rip in the universe. Does your film answer which snap it was? Was it the one that brought the heroes back or the one that killed the villains?

Jon Watts: Yeah, these are all great questions and there are so many answers, but I don't want to give it away.

Fandango: Five years have passed and Peter's friends are all still the same age. Will there be characters who we met in Homecoming who appear in Far From Home having aged those five years?

Jon Watts: Yeah, that's one of the fun things that we get to play with -- the sort of real-world, ground-level implications of something like that. You don't get to see any of the fallout in Endgame, and we get to explore that in our movie. It's really interesting and fun.

I predict the next MCU phase will be about them realizing they have to fix this tear in the universe, so they traverse the galaxy in search of these magical glowing geme that, if you possess them all, can magically alter reality.

I’m totally cool with Spiderman focusing on Spiderman Universe is what I meant to say. I know parallel universes colliding could bring back any MCU character but all the action in the preview is Spidey characters doing their thing.

We just had the parallel Universe Spiderman event though didn't we?
Great cartoon from last year.

would have enjoyed seeing that Captain America quest to return the gemstones though. I take it it's not going to be shown now. Did think it was what the next CA film might be for all of a couple of minutes there.

I wouldn't be surprised if it gets done as an animation or something

Let's face it, production wise it probably boils down to a choice between 30 minutes of live action footage vs 30 minutes of character animation, with the rest of the film the same.

One of the interviews with Endgame team revealed that Captain America had to get back to Endgame Universe in order to sit there on the bench. I found that more fascinating then him just staying in one place getting old. He had to cross universes and perhaps even time travel.

Perhaps!

Yeah, if he travelled back to the 1940s to be with Peggy, he automatically created a new timeline where Peggy wasn't left to mourn him. There's no way he was there all along in the original timeline, as Agent Carter and other media have shown what happened to Peggy after the events of the first Cap movie. So maybe after alternate Peggy died of old age, he wanted to come back and spend the rest of his days in his original timeline? Or maybe he just wanted to visit there to let the Avengers know he was successful in returning the Infinity Stones, since presumably he now has family and friends in the alternate timeline, so he'd still want to go back there?

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I haven't finished the second series, but it presumably only shows what happened to her up to a point?

I haven't finished the second series, but it presumably only shows what happened to her up to a point?

The second season is set in 1947. We don't know when the last scene of Endgame takes place, but presumably Steve would want to return to Peggy as soon as possible after his "death", instead of letting her mourn for a long time, get over it, find a new love, etc? Which is exactly what happened in Agent Carter.

Anyway, according to the time travel logic laid out earlier in the movie, the mere fact that Steve returns to the 1940s and starts a new life there automatically creates a new timeline. There's no way to create a "you already changed the past" type of loop in the MCU, just like it isn't possible in the comic book universe either.

Correct. The way I've tried to explain it (and which the movie itself did an adequate job imo) is that, when they travel to the past, time changes from a capital I to a capital Y, with one of the forks being the timeline they came from and the other being the new timeline they've created through their temporal meddling. Tony's GPS effectively pulls them back to the bifurcated point in the timeline and then back up the 'correct' timeline such that it's as if they never left (the only subjective passage of time for each traveler being however long he/she spends in various other timelines before returning to their starting position).

i think the easiest explanation for cap's adventure--he went back and re-delivered all infinity stones except for the time stone, lived a full life with peggy, then whenever he was ready to go back to his original reality, he went to the sanctum and delivered the time stone to the ancient one, who portaled him back to the moment he left.

Or maybe he was a Skrull

He didn't need the time stone because he was utilizing the quantum realm.