A Thread about the film JFK

there's a subtle shift in the way he presents his character during the flashbacks and the present, kind of a nervous kid in '63 and a hard case a few years later.

def

callowly flexing his ornamental muscles at the other end of the long table

Frankie the butler closing the door on him.

Kevin Bacon playing gay was really exciting to me circa '92.

Even though even back then I knew poppers didn't make you suddenly roar like a lion.

how's your mousse

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You don't know shit 'cause you ain't never bin fucked in da ass!

I love the shots of horse's ass behind O'Keefe and Mistah Garrison

when i first saw the director's cut i didn't quite get that the bathroom scene at the airport was a failed attempt at setting up and framing Garrison in a Larry Craig-type sting. this is such a crazy movie.

dallas was a slow-pokin town back then! i mean, you chewed toothpicks, played dominoes, spit, and dated policemen.

the quarter is filled with vivid imaginations, my dear mr. garrison: grimy young hoodlums who will say and do anything, as you well know

very few people know about this, all right

clay bertrand is clay shaw??? [skeleton runs up, giggles, runs away]

"What's the mystery? Everybody down here knows him."

"Then why does he call himself Bertrand?"

"Who gives a shit what he calls himself? (pause) Will you give us a little help on that grand jury thing? I hope so. We could use it..."

Guy's a fag.

lee, tell me, what are you shooting at-- rabbits or fascists?

i, uh, i hunt.

you hunt. hillbillies!

Everything I'll say is classified top secret.

I was a soldier, Mr. Garrison. Two wars.

A secret Pentagon guy, supplying the hardware:

Planes, bullets, rifles...

...for what we call "Black Operations."

Black Ops. Assassinations. Coups d'état...

...rigging elections, propaganda, psych warfare.

In World War Il, I was in Rumania, Greece, Yugoslavia.

I helped evacuate part of Nazi intelligence at the end of the war.

And we used those guys against the Communists.

In ltaly, '48, we stole the elections.

France '49, we broke the strikes.

Overthrew Quirino in the Philippines, Arbenz in Guatemala...

...Mossadegh in Iran. We were in Vietnam in '54...

...Indonesia, '58, Tibet, '59.

Got the Dalai Lama out. We were good.

Very good.

Then we got into the Cuban thing. Not so good.

i dreamt last night that the cause of jfk's assassination was bob-a-job week

― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, October 15, 2003 5:52 PM (fifteen years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

still the only good theory imo

Fun and games, man, fun and games!

i didn't talk to nobody after the assassination. i was on drugs at the hospital. like i told the fbi, that call was a figment of my imagination!

The cat's stewing you, I told him.
You got the right ta-ta, but the wrong ho-ho.
Bertrand is not Shaw, scout's honor. And you can tell him I said so.

He produced credentials showing him to be Secret Service.
I accepted that and let him go.
I regretted it. He looked like a mechanic.
He had on a sports shirt and pants, but he had dirty fingernails.
Afterward, it didn't ring true. But at the time...we were so pressed for time.

yes. well, no! no, because there were others. there were others: there were admirals.

A lot of people were deciding what was private...none of the American people's business.
The chief pathologist, Commander Humes...by his own admission, voluntarily burned his autopsy notes.
President Johnson orders the blood-soaked limousine, filled with bullet holes and clues, to be washed and rebuilt.
He sends Connally's bloody suit to the cleaners.
The Justice Department denied this office access to the autopsy photos.
When we finally get a court order to examine Kennedy's brain, in the hopes of finding from which direction the bullet came...we're told, by your government that,
the President's brain has disappeared.

That's not all that's disappeared.
With it, the concept of justice.

yes. well, no! no, because there were others. there were others: there were admirals.

― difficult listening hour,

great line and delivery

We know Oswald didn't pull that trigger. Castro did.
If it comes out, there'll be a war. Millions of people will die.
That's more important than Jim Garrison.
Look at me when I talk to you! You're too selfish!
Shut up! If you got a brain in your thick skull,
listen to me. Listen real hard.

Get in the car.

that dog don't hunt

You're a goddamn liberal, Mr. Garrison, you don't know shit, cause you never been fucked in the ass.

this film is bonkers. watched it for the first time on saturday night and still reeling from the gay panic conspiracy fever dream.

part of the scenery, right?

Just get me elected.

I'll give you your damn war.

rewatched recently and noticed that the film is essentially structured around a series of breathless monologues delivered by compelling actors - each one gets a turn, and then the film moves on to the next one. The reason the final courtroom scene feels draggy and sorta lame is because instead of getting some fun scenery chewing from the likes of Pesci, Sutherland, Bacon, or Jones, we're stuck with Costner.

DO NOT. FORGET. YOUR DYING KING.

"Stuck with Costner" explains 95% of what's not good about this film, and unfortunately he's everywhere. The rest is fine.

I suppose this is no defense, but consider: Stone needed a box office star dense and impervious to irony enough to play his conception of straight arrow Jim (the real Garrison was closer to Dean Andrews in wiles).

costner's first line in the film - reacting to hearing the president has been shot: "oh no!" - had my gf and i almost in tears.

At the time, for sure; Costner was right up there with Cruise for box-office, I think.

costner's camp atticus finch routine is exactly what this movie about a square tripping needs

Theoretically...but you still have to watch him.

Costner's super-stardom/box office draw seems like such a bizarre aberration.

Costner is the straight guy to all the madness around him, really works. After that the courtroom stuff is just not as fun, there is a drop off.

The recreation of the assassination and Oswald's post-assassination desperation is first-rate!

too much rhyming in that sentence

My Costner impression: "Wait a minute--are you saying that Costner is the straight guy to all the madness around him?"

lol

now say it in a bad southern accent

Sorry can only tell a bad Brit accent!

john candy's accent in this is hilarious. get the guy with the thick ontario accent to try to sound like he's from louisiana, also have him say "daddio" and the like. genius

cashew piece?