Avengers: Infinity War

WmC why u give me ellipses bruh

Seems pretty clear to me that they have further plans for Black Widow given the impending Black Widow movie whose existence would otherwise now be really weird.

Yeah but lots of people seem to think it's a prequel movie.

But why

I mean they blessed us by not re-re-re-representing Spidey's origin. A prequel without some meaningful impact on the larger story seems decidedly outside the MCU purview at this point.

By which I mean (as I said upthread): yes, it will likely be to some extent a prequel inasmuch as ScarJo is appearing as a character who has just died but it's likely to be a prequel in the same way, say, Captain Marvel or the first Cap movie were prequels. And also I don't think its status as a prequel precludes future employment of Black Widow in a present context.

Keep in mind that both her and Gamorra's deaths involved the soul stone, a fate which the comics have demonstrated is decidedly Not The End.

I think we're at the point where comics continuity is no predictor of movie continuity.

Seems pretty clear to me that they have further plans for Black Widow

Clear to you based on what onscreen evidence?

Based, again, on the fact that one of the very next movies after the movie where they killed off Black Widow is a film starring Black Widow. Does this not strike you as a peculiar decision.

It really doesn't.

Like Vision is seemingly capital-d Dead with seemingly no chance of resurrection in sight and yet there is a show coming soon entitled WandaVision which leads me, somehow, to believe that his story isn't quite complete.

ach don't worry tony will invent a not-dead machine in an afternoon

ok so i don't know how the soul stone works in the comics, but i did wonder why they couldn't just get BW back in exchange for returning it to Vormir.

her death didn't work for me (none of them worked for me until Morgan Stark asked for cheeseburgers tbh) i think because death seems so easily reversed in this particular MCU? like Bucky died and then he didn't, Pepper died and then she didn't, Vision died and then he came back and then died again, and then Thanos snapped his fingers and everyone died but we knew they were going to be unsnapped anyway. So I always assumed that Natasha would be back by the end of the movie. and then she wasn't. :/

Infinity War Gamora dies, but the 2014 new timeline Gamora has jumped five years into the future, presumably to restart whatever it was she had with Quill and the Guardians. I'm guessing this is what happens with Loki too, after he steals the Tesseract. So the version of Loki who had reconciled with Thor in Ragnarok and was killed by Thanos has now been replaced with the old chaotic Loki, back to stir up trouble.

i think it's clear at this point that the black widow movie will feature scarjo only in flashback and the movie proper will follow the training of the new black widow, who will be played by david harbour

It was gonna be David Harbour but then Hellboy tanked. Now it's gonna be Seth Rogen.

ant man will say "oh hey guys i dont know how it would work but if there was a way for dead people to be ...... not dead......?" and hawkeye would say "thats the plot of night of the living dead 2" and thered be a humorous beat it would be written into the script as just that CHARACTERS PAUSE FOR HUMOROUS BEAT then hulk would say "thats zombies" ant man would say " no i dont mean zombies" then pause for a HUMOROUS BEAT "ok yes i mean zombies" then somebody would just solve death

and everyone will watch it and say "look it was explained what a good movie"

I have been okay with the logic of resurrection in the MCU. I hope that they never solve death to the extent that the comics have (ie to the extent that I don't even understand why anyone in that world wastes any time on grieving).

im kinda there in this world tbh

same

roz otm that they never really seemed to get a proper handle on the black widow as a character - whatever they do with the solo movie i hope they get a chance to give scarjo a decent arc

also i really wanna see the gorgeous pouting david harbour squeezed into that black widow outfit

Now would be the time to employ the early-'70s trope of the Black Widow stripping nude at the drop of a hat.

Yeah, I couldn't help but think that if they absolutely did invent a time machine that could in fact be used to pull entire spaceships full of armies out of the past and into the present... and Past!Kemora is happily in the present to party with Present!Nebula and learn to love Resurrected!Quill again... then what's keeping them from just nipping back and grabbing a random Tony? or a random Widow? Some kind of Time Ethics?

GAmora

(sorry)

I mean, Dr. Strange could have travelled back in time and averted all of this in the first place, couldn't he?

The only real problem I have with the "rules" of these movies (and it's really true for all action movies, just more so with superheroes) is they do a pretty poor job defining the powers of said heroes, who seem to vacillate between degrees of selective invulnerability and immortality, not to mention that everyone appears to have the resilience and healing of a character like Wolverine. Whether Dr. Strange and Captain Marvel or, yeah, Scarlet Witch or even Vision (RIP), I never quite know what they are capable of or even supposed to be capable of. That's one thing, say, the X-Men movies got right: you generally know what everyone does. These MCU movies sort of coast on the iconography while skimping on the specifics.

One prequel (midquel? some dumb neologism including -quel) I wouldn't mind seeing, if done right, is Cap's solo adventures through time. Assuming something intersting occurred along the way which diverted him from Forrest Gumping himself into previous films.

Oh is it Gamora? I think I kept willing it to be Kemora because it's weird she'd be named after Sodom's sister city

Tilda Swinton tried to explain Time Ethics (lol) to Bruce but Loki, Gamora and Cap fucked it up beyond repair by not staying/going back to where they should have.

xp It's a pretty good question - I suppose the Time Ethics is basically what Tilda Swinton was saying - it'd be producing a timeline without a Tony or Widow, which would be a shame - a timeline without Thanos+army, not so much.

Well, except for the part with Thanos destroying half of all life in the universe and all that.

I think, per the issues raised in the Dr. Strange fillum, that the payment for all this time fuckery is going to come due at some point in the future. Possibly/hopefully in a way that involves Kang. Kinda hope they just deal with like paradoxes and reality unraveling and shit though without actually featuring much more time travel in the onscreen narrative.

I think with Cap the idea is that there was always this guy getting older with Peggy Carter, staying out of the news, picking up the groceries.

I think you might need another go at that, Josh.

Oh, I see. My bad!

We at least know one character's powers in explicit detail: Hawkeye shoot arrows and sometimes swordfights.

I think with Cap the idea is that there was always this guy getting older with Peggy Carter, staying out of the news, picking up the groceries.

otm

i thought it was a lovely little touch that previous movies had established that peggy had gotten married at some point - i wonder how long the marvel team knew that steve was going to be her husband

since they read the end of that superman arc i guess

it's going to be sooo awkward for Cap when Peggy's niece Sharon is born.

lol

guess that's why they made him up to look like joe biden, america's creepy uncle

i discovered today that this film posits the end of Major League Baseball after lolvillain snapped his lolfingers

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I gotta say though, Old Steve Rogers was maybe the best onscreen aging I've seen in film -- couldn't tell if it was makeup, digital or a combination.

xp nah, just the end of the Mets

Guys, guys, Cap+Peggy 2-gether 4-ever is an alternate timeline, not the one where she marries some rando and has a niece named Sharon.

honestlt thought Ol Cap was being played by Clint Eastwood for a few seconds

xpost how did he end up back in the original timeline as an old man then if this is a new timeline? (i don't actually want an answer cause this shit makes no sense at all.)

and also that only works if we're sure that Sharon's a niece from her not-Cap husband's side. i don't think it was ever mentioned lol.

Bruce said that it would seem to them that Cap was only gone for five seconds but that it would take him as long as it took to get all the gems back to their proper places (plus one unplanned decades-long side trip spent with his lady friend).

no its the current timeline but hes d-low looped back in

That's not how Endgame-rules time travel works.

An acquaintance of Facebook that I keep forgetting to unfollow posted this ridiculous comment about Stan Lee rolling in his grave and the "PC police / MSNBC writers" "destroying" the MCU.

When someone with more time and commitment than I pressed him on it, guess which two shots he very specifically hated about the movie?

I'm only sort of joking when I say all comicsgaters should be chemically castrated.