Seizing back control: The ILX lol brexit is how we're all gonna die thread.

So yes let's stop pretending that Matt Zarb-Cousin or Aaron Bastani invented the word or that it has anything to do with political centrism really.

this is all perfectly normal.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/queens-speech-delay-brexit-extension-theresa-may-parliament-commons-a8891006.html

The Queen’s Speech will be delayed until Brexit is delivered, Theresa May has said – despite no sign of a breakthrough at Westminster to end the stalemate.

The prime minister’s spokesman said a new session of parliament – due to get underway in June – would not begin until the withdrawal agreement had been ratified.

“That is part of the current Queen’s Speech cycle and we need to finish that work,” he said, admitting there was “no specific date” for a new session.

I mean they skipped the Queen’s speech last year, might as well skip it this year cos there’s no new legislative agenda lol

xxp

I don't have anything to do with either of those bell-ends, but am quite happy with that interpretation of melt. Because it gives me a shorter catch-all insult for slimey, corrupt, crypto-tory cunts.

it's jude in london's usage that made it mean centrists to me.

The term melt was certainly not invented recently and I don't think anyone claims it. I came across because it was in circulation by a couple of left-wing twitter people (who are based in the North East iirc, and aren't very active now) and re-deployed it to troll centrist Labour people. That worked great (which is how I saw it because I love watching people I hate being in distress online ofc), and more people in left-twitter took it up (where Z-C comes in to add some Essex boy bullshit or whatever). Then I think a journo wrote it up (Dawn Forster perhaps).

The country is still burning so it doesn't make a massive difference to anything.

it's a good one because it has that duality of inferring that they are idiots as per urban dictionary definitions and also untrustworthy, like some agent from the opposition "melting into the crowd" as to seem innocuous.

fwiw the first time I saw the word melt used in a political context was "that melt Corbyn" by one of those centrist ex-Melody Maker journalists that one of our esteemed ILX colleagues is friends with

so is brexit just gone away again until a week before the next deadline?

Never used 'melt', wasn't really aware of it, but I wouldn't be if it's some twitter-driven shite.

seriously

I keep reading these "If Labour doesn't go hard 2nd ref now they will lose all their members" tweets by people who never wanted Labour to have all their new members anyway, and did all they could to expel/suspend/resist the membership surge.

— Solomon Hughes (@SolHughesWriter) April 29, 2019

The Guardian keeps reporting on "warnings" that Labour leadership "must back" ref2 or... or else? I guess it keeps getting clicks

Yeah the guardian runs a variation of this exact piece every week, imagine how much we might know about <insert any leftist political topic here> if they hadn’t just been lazy fuckers getting John Harris & Nick Cohen to do the same piece every so often.

Also as Tom Watson is very blue labourish imo I could easily see him going both ways on this & briefing each side (how out of character, I know)

https://www.thesocialreview.co.uk/2019/04/26/stephen-bush-interview-part-1/

The first two parts of this interview with Stephen Bush have been really good imo, novel to see anyone nominally of what will have been called the "centre left" attempting any kind of actual self-reflection about their current position

Stephen Bush is very good and he’s a Blairite. I find him very fair in his assessments usually.

Meanwhile, remember the local elections? And CH? Here’s an absolute comment shitshow that’s straight out of comrade alphabet’s “love to see my enemies upset” mood from earlier.
https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2019/04/vote-conservative-in-next-weeks-local-elections.html

Gotta say no voter feels more vindictive than a Tory scorned

The comments are incredible. People saying that if they don’t vote Tory then the council could be lost to Labour or Lib Dems and other people replying to say that they don’t care, they still want their protest vote in case the Euro elections are cancelled(!)

It’s even funnier if you imagine them having an average age of 84.

even even funnier if you imagine some of them having aneurysms as they type and desperately trying to rattle out the last few words

thanks tom, love u too boo

Another tweet endorsed by @tom_watson - calling his own party's members "a moronic cult" and "racist misogynists". pic.twitter.com/gwUhqrzepE

— Ronan Burtenshaw (@ronanburtenshaw) April 29, 2019

Stephen Bush is very good and he’s a Blairite. I find him very fair in his assessments usually.

Yeah he's the dispassionate, rational centrist observer all of those other dimbulbs wrongly imagine themselves to be, I probably don't share many of his political instincts but rarely feel he's being intellectually dishonest

he's normally very good at concealing his biases and talking about politicians in terms of how effectively they're behaving relative to their own objectives, without giving much sense of what he himself thinks is right or desirable. Unlike e.g his colleague the maverick communist agitator 'George Eaton'

not trying to diminish S Bush cos I like him and his wry sense of humour and sometimes quite otm observations, but ffs all ppl outside of the murdoch/tory press who are paid to comment on uk politics should be as impartial and competent as him as a minimum standard, he shouldn't some "he's pretty good at this political commentary game is this one" outlier.

I notice the other day's the Grauns joke book section featured that garbage Corbyn biography on the recommended reading list. The one that was heavily mocked by all and sundry, but especially taken to pieces by S Bush.

In case you’re wondering what the deputy leader was listening to as he faved all those tweets:
https://www.last.fm/user/baggymp

High Flying Birds? Gtfo.

There's a bit in that Stephen Bush interview where he (measuredly i guess) makes the case for politicians as technocratic specialists in their field. But fuck whatever specialism Watson and his ilk represent, it represents the precise point where the deficit between the political class and actual democracy is sharpest.

Also I wondered why IDS was trending & then saw why lol

They had a WTO expert on and he reviewed Iain Duncan Smith's brexit plan but I don't understand sign language, is this goodpic.twitter.com/W72j1pJ1dv

— James Felton (@JimMFelton) April 29, 2019

In case you’re wondering what the deputy leader was listening to as he faved all those tweets:
https://www.last.fm/user/baggymp

High Flying Birds? Gtfo.

― gyac, Monday, April 29, 2019 10:08 PM (twelve minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Forever can't not read his nickname other than 'Bag Gymp', since his last.fm outing.

Now you’ve ruined that perfectly innocent handle for me too 😩

Expecting public figures to have a good music taste is like expecting a decent pizza takeaway in SE London to stay open for longer than two months

he also has a metafilter account under the same name lol
https://www.metafilter.com/66861/Black-Friday-Youtubery

https://ask.metafilter.com/103499/How-Do-I-Get-Started-In-Seeking-Political-Office#1512322 lol

I feel like we cannot rule out the fact that he posts/reads here?!?!

Lol!

12. Your word is everything. It takes a lifetime to build a reputation but you can lose it in a day.

Yeah, about that...

xp Bag Gymp was Brodie

just in case he does - yes, you do have a democratic mandate but that mandate was given to you by the members when they thought you respected the democratic processes for policy formation within the labour party. if you insist on setting up a BGRG* then I'd like to vote on the deputy leadership again please. put it to a vote u coward

*bag gymp research group

Fuck’s sake, there is such a thing as being too online and this is it.

LOL, we have one of his ex-flatmates...

Big Len?! It’s comrade alphabet, right?!

gyac self-outed as watson a couple of weeks ago iirc

BGRG* then I'd like to vote on the deputy leadership again please. put it to a vote u coward

*bag gymp research group

Bag Gymp Research Group is in for a nasty surprise when they find out about the original BGRG, Bizarro Garrara Research Group.

(and otm abt the vote)

*Gazzara, grrzz

rest assured they’ll be hearing from my lawyers forthwith

xxxp he wishes. It’s MR Seumas Milne to you, fucko

Excl: Theresa May becomes first Tory leader in 185 years to face a grassroots vote to oust her. PM was told today that an association chairmen's petition has succeeded and Emergency General Meeting will be triggered in June (1/3) https://t.co/ZusUaM9odG

— Tom Newton Dunn (@tnewtondunn) April 29, 2019

Another unwanted record for May: the 1st time in Conservative Party’s 185 year history (since its foundation in 1834) that members have forced an EGM to discuss the leadership. Date will be set after local elections, with 28 days notice. Expected early-mid June (2/3)

— Tom Newton Dunn (@tnewtondunn) April 29, 2019

May has been invited to address the EGM of 800 senior activists, which is likely to become a humiliating public trial, coming just after the twin local and euro elections drubbings. Vote will be non-binding, but losing it will be very hard for PM to survive (3)

— Tom Newton Dunn (@tnewtondunn) April 29, 2019

humiliating trial, v nice

losing it will be very hard for PM to survive

popcorn ready and waiting but i'll believe this^^^ when i see it tbh

otm but I’m definitely picturing this as a bunch of those CH commenters yelling at May

BGRG

cant stop reading this as ventriloquist BYOB

humiliating trial, v nice

Charles II or Louis Capet?

if you try to remove the head and fail youve to wait another year iirc

ooh I'd like to see ol' Terry May slip out of *this* one