2020 Democratic presidential primary

I like it, but I like Harris more than a lot of folks.

castro has been tacking left on reparations and immigration, though his HUD history is not spotless. but he's not a cop!

is it too much to ask for a Warren-Harris ticket? i would be so stoked

so who would you want?

I could see Warren maybe going for someone like Ro Khanna?

Would make sense for Bernie too, but I've got a feeling he'd pick Tulsi

whyyyyyy

Bernie makes sense for VP. He can continue to be a figure without the requirement of manuevering to get real things done.

I dont think any of the major candidates are going to be VP picks for anyone with possible exception of Lego Pete

warren-sanders in any configuration would be an extremely strong ticket

warren-sanders in any configuration would be an extremely strong ticket

The only two candidates with any value, but not as a pair! Either of these work for me as P, but not as VP

Gravel teens in a trench coat for veep

i haven't seen much (or completely missed) discussion of Tulsi on ilx.

she's bad, right?

yes

Gravel teens in a trench coat for veep

like i know she's got a dicey past re social issues and some weird/ naive opinions re Assad... anything else?

"dicey" is putting is mildly. there's also this

https://theintercept.com/2019/01/05/tulsi-gabbard-2020-hindu-nationalist-modi/

This @BoldProgressive survey of their membership is interesting:

Warren, Buttigieg, Harris and Sanders supporters are more likely to say their candidate would be the best president.

Biden, O’Rourke and Klobuchar supporters are more likely to say their candidate would win. pic.twitter.com/Tcsuikz3ir

— Kevin Robillard (@Robillard) April 26, 2019

Klobuchar supporters? Think she can win? lol

ah yeah i did catch wind of that. thx for the link Simon.

seems like there's some horseshoe theory in action w Tulsi on soc media. lotta young (seeming) leftists and trolls(?) with p clear nationalist inclinations appear to be pretty into her.

some young leftists like her because of her rep as one of the few dovish foreign policy candidates; I gather they're either unaware of the Modi/Assad stuff or don't care. but she has a cult following at best.

the Veepier Klobuchar gets the more I enjoy her but... she has actual supporters?

no, she doesnt

all this fund-raising dick-measuring is weird and off-putting

would attend a dick-measuring fundraiser

we should have that contest on the ILX gay thread!

only if the dicks being measured are somehow doing some fundraising to pay ilx hosting costs.

bring back the statscock

stephen malkmus likes gabbard. pretty perfect, along with rivers cuomo being in the #yanggang

so baffled by p much all these veep ideas

Sanders/Winfrey

andrew yang with elon musk as veep would be epic

hadrian otm

here's my cockamamie veep idea for sanders: a Business Person Success Story who whole-heartedly supports his program and blandly explains to rotary clubs that it's all only common sense, and sheds a tear for the proud america in which her CEO forebears made only 10x their employees' median income. "my team and I built a great company, but we didn't do it alone. now i for one don't mind paying my fair share so that the highways our trucks go out on can be repaved" ... you know.... lots of charts and graphs showing how redistribution helps The Economy. "bernie, yeah, he can raise his voice and all but if you look at The Numbers, none of what he's saying is actually all that radical..." blah blah blah... this person probably does not exist btw

sanders/gritty or gtfo imo

xp if Bernie does get the nom, yes, 10-to-1 it will be a (younger) woman w/ just that kind of message (and a whiff of Wall St about her)

10-to-1 it will be a (younger) woman

Woe to Bernie if his veep choice were older than he is.

I would be in for Betty White.

sanders/gritty or gtfo imo

― the flat earth serves tea and coffee (bizarro gazzara), Friday, April 26, 2019

tbh i would take sanders more seriously with Gritty as his running mate

so baffled by p much all these veep ideas

You’re implying that you agree with my michael Jackson poster for VP idea, I assume

Michael JORDAN, Karl.

that was a weird iphone typo

This Ben Smith column is worth a skim.

These new politics look less like old presidential campaigns than like social-media fandoms: Beyoncé, Taylor Swift, Drake, the Marvel Universe don’t come and go. They’re eternal, as long as their protagonists provide a steady stream of content and mutual affirmation to growing groups of supporters. This is a snowball, not a narrative.

So what does that mean for the 2020 Democratic Primary?

Well, it could mean that the theory motivating most of the 20-plus candidates — that they should make their cases and wait for their turns in the sun of public attention — is just wrong. Under this theory, Cory Booker and Amy Klobuchar will never get their turns.

And the candidates who have found their social media and movement fandoms early — Bernie Sanders, who never let his go and Pete Buttigieg, who caught the moment, are the obvious ones — will become harder and harder for the others to dislodge, as they develop increasingly intense relationships with their core fans. There’s space for one or two more fandoms, and Elizabeth Warren and Kamala Harris seem closest to building them. And, perhaps, there’s enough space for a reaction against this new politics for Joe Biden.

Politics is the media business, and increasingly the media-criticism business. But spare a thought for the possibility that, as you judge the media’s coverage of the Democratic Primary, that we have a lot less to do with the outcome than we used to. The power that we used to wield has been handed over to the fandoms.

love this class-centered discourse

“Being middle class is not a number. It’s a value set,” Biden says.

— Sabrina Siddiqui (@SabrinaSiddiqui) April 29, 2019

disqualifying

Isn't the very definition of a number...

"being middle class is not a number. it's a set of numerical values"

srsly this is how the plutocracy defines middle class, straight up

from the Biden thread:

I turn on MSNBC before switching to Netflix and, sweet baby Jesus, Nicole Wallace and her chant of the ever-circling skeletal family devoted all of four minutes to praising Elizabeth Warren for not just knowing more policy than any candidate but being "electric" in a room.

Mayor Pete MeToo

huh -- i'm not finding anything about that?