2020 Democratic presidential primary

straw man bullshit

― d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII)

Lemieux and Loomis are Warren fans.

don't get me started on Bhaskar

barring prisoners from voting is absolutely an indefiensible position for any liberal in 2019. they are human beings who depend entirely upon the state for their well-being, and deserve a say in the democratic process

this is the most otm thing that will be said in the politics thread this year

I'll send one of you 30 canadian dollars if you pinky swear you'll donate it to warren

― Simon H., Wednesday, April 24, 2019 10:27 AM (six hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Don’t quote me but I believe this is a crime, talking of crimes

jesus christ not the pinky swear too

love to exert my foreign influence on the elctoral process

me too, everyone who votes how I tell them will receive one otm from me, in a thread of my choosing

The Silby Foundation is open to receiving to all donations from foreign nationals interested in keeping the little finger pink and small.

Sounds more like a MAGAPAC when you put it that way.

Ayo Simon I donated $30 more to Liz in yr honor

The prisoner voting rights thing may be a worthy cause but not being a legal scholar it seems to me to be a matter of state laws and hence something a president would have minimal say over so kind of a strange issue to make central to a presidential campaign.

It’s not gonna be central to the campaign just to, like, today and tomorrow

We’re entitled to know these jerks’ opinions on everything, get em on the record

Dan I otm

i stand by the idea that the way the candidates think and talk about these things tells us a lot about what's important to them, and how they approach issues like criminal justice reform, racial disparities, and fundamental rights. maybe it tells us about as much as we learn from their positions on other things.

anyway, things candidates say can shape "the conversation" all the time, even if they can't singlehandedly do anything about them if elected, we know that well.

but yeah, nobody in this thread is suggesting that this is or will be "central to a presidential campaign."

so uh this poll is a tremendous outlier (I'm assuming there are reasons for that but idk anything about the org), but I like the "remove a candidate and see what happens" feature, more polls should do this

http://poll.democracyforamerica.com/results

― Simon H., Wednesday, April 24, 2019 6:59 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It would involve filling out a preferential ballot, though.

Further outlier signs is that 12% of Bernie's transferrable vote would go to Mike Gravel, 20% to Gabbard, 40% to Warren.

Joementum!

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/joe-biden-entering-2020-field/story?id=61078936

x-post: Again, it's not so much an 'outlier' as it's a poll of the members of DFA, which is well known for being a left-wing dancepunk label.

Really hope past is prelude and Joe eats absolute shit very soon.

he might've done better had he appeared with Lizzo dancing to "Juice."

this sounds dicey as hell to me but hopefully it's smarter in its full form?

“I got a plan,” Warren says. Says she wants to change the pay structure for hospitals. If they bring down maternal mortality rates, they get a bonus. If not, they get money taken away from them. https://t.co/oUJMXAkBWw

— Caitlin Huey-Burns (@CHueyBurns) April 24, 2019

I assume that's not the only metric they'd get measured on?

Why does it sound dicey?

off the top of my head, could potentially invite stat-juking and (further) institutional bias against marginalized populations?

but she's earned some benefit of doubt that she has mechanisms in mind to offset potential harms

It's supposed to take money away from people who hurt them?

Why does it sound dicey?

― Frederik B, Thursday, April 25, 2019 8:34 AM (fourteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

off the top of my head, could potentially invite stat-juking and (further) institutional bias against marginalized populations?

― Simon H., Thursday, April 25, 2019 8:41 AM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

these sort of mechanisms were put into place for some other disease states, and they are very controversial for more or less the reasons you mention

I mean, the 'dicey' thing about it is that it presumes the existence of private health companies, but other than that it seems a great reform, which also could be done through the executive rather than the legislative, imo.

xp meant to specify, as part of obamacare

Really hope past is prelude and Joe eats absolute shit very soon.

― Simon H., Thursday, April 25, 2019 6:21 AM

i see no reason for that not to happen but like you said i hope it does quickly

for all the good polling or whatever i don't know one person that is high on Biden running .

Re: warren’s plan: I’m skeptical of taking money away from underperforming institutions. Feels reminiscent of No Child Left Behind—let’s take schools that are failing because they don’t have adequate resources, and take away their resources.

Re: Biden entering the race: I wish he wasn’t running. Fortunately, being a front runner in a field this big doesn’t mean that you’re a likely winner—just that you have the best odds when compared to each other individual.

Worth noting: in somewhat unison, Twitter botnets started pushing the #CreepyJoe hashtag. Someone controlling a lot of bots is railing hard against him.

Re Warren, that has shades of the Fitbit insurance scheme that set off the Kentucky teachers strike.

Smart of Biden to explicitly ask Obama not to make an endorsement at this stage.

I saw someone suggest that O is declining to endorse anyone because he secretly likes Bernie, in case anyone is keeping track of derangement levels

good morning!

Where's The Tax Returns?!

I had a mind-boggling conversation with my mom where she said her FB friends don't like Bernie because he ran as a third party candidate in the 2016 general election. in case anyone is keeping track of derangement levels.

I saw someone suggest that O is declining to endorse anyone because he secretly likes Bernie, in case anyone is keeping track of derangement levels

― Simon H., Thursday, April 25, 2019 9:18 AM (thirteen minutes ago) Bookmark

let me be clear, I'm a democratic socialist, folks

oh lol I thought "Biden asked O not to endorse" was a joke but I see this is what he's actually claiming

Why is it a bad thing for Biden to be running? he's only a threat to Beto, Mayor Pete and those guys, he's not going to survive far into this

that's a dangerous assumption imo

xp alas, he'll survive far into this because many Dems still think in terms of who can win the general, and Biden seems to be wearing the costume of "that guy" who will get back those Obama voters who went for Trump

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D5AS6ZwU0AIQiXP.png

lol

Why is that E like that? It looks like fingers coming atcha.

Joe's coming atcha!

That E is itching to massage the N.

Nevermind what the D is thinking.

Biden in Wilmington asked about a message to the rest of the world: “America’s coming back like we used to be” pic.twitter.com/cNSqI1WCEh

— Jonathan Tamari (@JonathanTamari) April 25, 2019

This is literally just "clunkier MAGA."

all the arguments about why biden is the electable one just feel so Kerry '04