2020 Democratic presidential primary

Pete's dead to me (and probably a whole lot of other people in MI) just for using the OTHER big university's shtick on the state specific logo here:

https://i.imgur.com/jkihs6C.png

biden now set to announce on thursday. not clear whether or not charlottesville is still the site.

Vice President Joe Biden will launch his 2020 presidential bid on Thursday, a source close to the vice president tells TPM.

Biden will join the fray with a video announcing his third bid for president. His team is still nailing down details for his first campaign appearances, but a Monday trip to a union hall in Pittsburgh will be part of the official rollout.

From under what rock did they dig their seemingly endless procession of smirking Stephen Miller / Ben Shapiro clones??

I haven't seen any of the Gravel teens, but I thought it was just a couple of kids and they're really trying to stay behind his twitter account, not putting their faces forward?

barring prisoners from voting is absolutely an indefiensibke position for any liberal in 2019. they are human beings who depend entirely upon the state for their well-being, and deserve a say in the democratic process

you should have to be convicted of at least one felony before the franchise is extended to you in the first place

I don't really care either way but I don't think denying the right to vote to people serving life in prison on murder charges is necessarily an indefensible position

Yes, it is. You drew the line to murder there but what if it's life for trafficking weed? What if it's someone who got life for a bullshit Three Strikes charge?

also who cares if it's murder holy shit this is a democracy not the rotary club?

how could convicted murderers possibly abuse the franchise any worse than everybody else already does

it's not some kind of bonus privilege you get for being a good boy you know

It's not indefensible but it's one I strongly disagree with.

I have decided to mellow out enough that this is where I'm at with it lol

haha sorry standing down.

no wait: if you don't like murderers voting in your democracy you should consider looking into social arrangements likely to produce fewer murderers. shrink the bloc

And nations that break international law should be kicked off the UN Security Council

btw in some states prisoners are counted as residents of the district in which they are imprisoned for the purposes of congressional representation, meaning that each person locked up and disenfranchised increases the political power of the district with no corresponding increase in the number of people amongst whom that power is divided, meaning that the district's vampire population actually sucks the power out of the prisoners for their own use. but if we let them vote what if they voted to legalize murder? they love murder so much. what if they voted to cease the practice of institutionalized rape in prisons? everyone would want to go to prison!

guys I think I'm all in on Warren.

rip

Clean-up in the Town Hall Aisle: A day after saying she welcomed a “conversation” about inmates voting in jail, @KamalaHarris said today: “Do I think that people who commit murder, people who are terrorists should be deprived of their rights? Yeah, I do. I’m a prosecutor.”

— Jeff Zeleny (@jeffzeleny) April 24, 2019

wow kamala harris doesn't know how to pronounce republican. embarrassing

she drives a hard conversation

Yes, it is. You drew the line to murder there but what if it's life for trafficking weed? What if it's someone who got life for a bullshit Three Strikes charge?

well, that's the other part of my platform, no more life for weed or Three Strikes charges

there's no logical reason why any felons lose the right to vote in the first place. it's not like you revoke their citizenship

how can we expect people to be deterred from crime when they're confident that no matter how heinous their deeds we bleeding-heart suckers will still be by every two years to drop a clipboard into their cage

To be fair to Kamala, Pete and the others, don't they have to do this? Theirs is a crowded lane but its there for the taking. There's no room in Bernie's lane, as Warren's numbers are showing (caveat that its still early but she is the only one there competing for the same votes as Berne and thats the tougher task. whereas Biden votes are just sitting there waiting to be taken

don't they have to do this?

well they could stay home and jerk off like decent americans

"don't they have to do this?" is not exactly the attitude i would cultivate towards people vying to be "leaders" and asking for our votes, personally.

only one or two cycles ago everyone "had" to accept corporate $$ too.

I'm pretty much all in for Warren too. Seeing a lot of that as well. xpost

"don't they have to do this?" is not exactly the attitude i would cultivate towards people vying to be "leaders" and asking for our votes, personally.

― |Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, April 24, 2019 8:09 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

seriously. they don't have to be president.

once someone said that it was understandable that hillary voted for the iraq war -- that she HAD to -- because, as a woman, she couldn't afford to be seen as "weak."

like, no

watching a few minutes of Warren at that CNN Town Hall the other night and just thinking how fucking wild it would be watching her on a debate stage with Trump. obviously we saw plenty of crazymaking shit in the 2016 debates but when you consider Warren's moral clarity and specificity combined with the fact the Trump seems to have deteriorated mentally even in the past few years, I just can't even imagine what that scene would look like. like seriously, i can't get beyond just thinking he would mutter "Pocahontas...Pocahontas" every couple of minutes and that'd be it.

honestly, depending on the opponent, I could totally see him just refusing to debate in 2020 based on some "very unfair media is the enemy of the people" bullshit.

nah, the one thing he can't resist is the opportunity to be on television.

still can't believe we have to go through this all again

the 2016 election is the worst thing i remember experiencing. need to find a solution to stay away from this one...

still can't believe we have to go through this all again

― Trϵϵship, Wednesday, April 24, 2019

what -- your worryposts?

I was just reading up on the history of women in the senate after treeship's Hillary remark. The idea that they prohibit(ed) women from wearing pants in the line of professional work drives me absolutely mad.

"don't they have to do this?" is not exactly the attitude i would cultivate towards people vying to be "leaders" and asking for our votes, personally.

― |Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino),

I am not condoning it and I disagree with it! But this is the reality of the non-Bernie lane, they aren't going after his supporters yet, they're in competition with each other right now, not Bernie. So i

alfred, was that that really the worst part of the rise of a fascist president for you? me? xp

I love teasing you, boo

Unauthorized T-shirt salesmen set up tables outside his events and some attendees sport his hipster black “BETO” buttons, a testament to the celebrity he won while losing in Texas. But Mr. Buttigieg has zoomed past him in early-state polls and is starting to draw larger crowds in Iowa and New Hampshire.

Recent surveys in the two early-nominating states show Mr. Buttigieg vaulting into the double digits in a field of nearly 20 declared candidates. In some cases he trails only Mr. Biden and Mr. Sanders.

The first votes are still more than nine months away, and Mr. O’Rourke has ample opportunity to regain momentum. But even some of the attendees at his events who were clad in Beto gear said they were unsure how to choose between him and Mr. Buttigieg.

But even some of the attendees at his events who were clad in Beto gear said they were unsure how to choose between him and Mr. Buttigieg.

how is this even a question? you get them both in the same location and you have a beer with them, see how they act. whoever you want to have a beer with the most is the winner.

Buttigieg can't get the bartender's attention, whereas Beto goes off to buy you a beer then starts talking to someone else and forgets about you.

not in the tank for bernie, but gfy mayor pete

“Mr. Buttigieg lamented that his party was not sufficiently worried about deficits and suggested that Mr. Trump and Mr. Sanders were two sides of the same coin.” https://t.co/X2ndMBNubK

— Matt Stoller (@matthewstoller) April 24, 2019

lol at Klob's straight up lifting of Selena Myers' "Man Up" conversation with millennials
i should probably throw some bucks at Warren now, huh

yup

not digging her merch but maybe my partner will want a PERSIST RESPONSIBLY pint glass

Donated to Warren last night, plan to continue to do so regularly as long as she's in it

ah yes... budget deficits..................... the most animating and critical issue of our times

xp

Thinking this is what I need to do as well

i expect Klob and Biden to suck out loud but how tf can Mayor Pete and Kamala be so fucking terrible this early on? srsly, fuck em both.

i'm in GA so it (probably) won't matter, but if either of these two (or Biden) ends up w the nom i may do what I yelled at ppl for in 2016 and go 3rd party.

maybe Biden will keep delaying his announcement till after the election

I'll send one of you 30 canadian dollars if you pinky swear you'll donate it to warren

actually i'm not even sure wtf buttigieg's talking about actually, since all his progressive competitors, and certainly sanders, are proposing major revenue increases to cover their programs. he's effectively doing the GOP's ideological work for them by implicitlly naturalizing the tax cut deficits they created. talk of being sensible and adult on deficits always means belt-tightening on spending.

as far as "lanes" go he increasingly looks to me like Carter 2.0 - - - the most conservative Dem in the race, at least on all the bread-and-butter policies that have been put in front of him and on which he's failed to take stances. at this point biden might be a better pick frankly even though i also want him to go away. feel like he's less likely to actively or rhetorically undermine good bills coming up from a progressive legislative caucus.

maybe Biden will keep delaying his announcement till after the election

please god