2020 Democratic presidential primary

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and the gaming out of who effectively gets your vote depends on where you live and when you participate in the primary/caucus. but yeah, vote for the person you want!

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Monday, 22 April 2019 16:41 (seven years ago)

I asked my spouse this weekend who he thought I would be voting for. He got it right on the 3rd try (after saying Buttig and Harris). I still may divorce him.

Yerac, Monday, 22 April 2019 16:43 (seven years ago)

Yeah, guess I can worry about it more when it's actually time to vote. I really wish Warren had a higher profile right now.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 22 April 2019 16:43 (seven years ago)

but I'm worried that will effectively translate into a vote for Biden

gonna ask this again: did biden announce

american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 22 April 2019 16:44 (seven years ago)

biden candidacy a huge hilarious joke until further notice

american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 22 April 2019 16:44 (seven years ago)

I'll talk you down: the idea that it's Bernie vs Biden (if that's what you have in mind) is based on pure name recognition, because the election is very far away. They both have a chance to be the nominee but it's just as likely to be someone else.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 22 April 2019 16:44 (seven years ago)

Biden is announcing this week

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 22 April 2019 16:45 (seven years ago)

xp

Looking forward to the race tightening up

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 22 April 2019 16:46 (seven years ago)

yeah i wouldn't worry about biden-- it's harris imo who has the best shot at being assigned to warm the seat for the next nazi.

difficult listening hour, Monday, 22 April 2019 16:47 (seven years ago)

thinking about blowing off my loan payment this month and just mailing it to liz.

difficult listening hour, Monday, 22 April 2019 16:48 (seven years ago)

fuck biden

i've gone from "eh i don't really think warren could win this" to "let ensure that warren wins this" she really exposes the others as mostly lightweights or neoliberals.

bernie is too old imo

marcos, Monday, 22 April 2019 16:49 (seven years ago)

She's actually doing the work while a lot of the others are still writing in their dream journals.

Yerac, Monday, 22 April 2019 16:51 (seven years ago)

My top two were Harris followed by Warren. That’s flipped now.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Monday, 22 April 2019 16:55 (seven years ago)

at this point in 2015 the leading GOP candidate was Scott Walker

frogbs, Monday, 22 April 2019 16:56 (seven years ago)

even Bernie staffers are impressed

I’ve paid off over $70,000 in student loans. I hope no one else ever has to.

— Every Billionaire Is A Policy Failure (@DanRiffle) April 22, 2019

Simon H., Monday, 22 April 2019 16:58 (seven years ago)

That's the thing though, Warren is doing a great job, and it's barely making a ripple.

it's harris imo who has the best shot at being assigned to warm the seat for the next nazi.

I have no idea wtf this means

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 22 April 2019 17:02 (seven years ago)

it means that i don't think presidents biden or harris would halt our democratic collapse or be able to defend us against a post-trump fascism. warren or sanders otoh would asphyxiate the next nazi.

difficult listening hour, Monday, 22 April 2019 17:07 (seven years ago)

hopefully they'll be skilled at delegating nazi asphyxiation to underlings

Simon H., Monday, 22 April 2019 17:09 (seven years ago)

[warren releases 50-page analysis of nazi respiratory systems]

difficult listening hour, Monday, 22 April 2019 17:10 (seven years ago)

Beto says he'd strangle Nazis if we were starting from scratch, but wants to preserve the existing plan of waiting for them to take over half of Europe before we attack

We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Monday, 22 April 2019 17:13 (seven years ago)

Beto would set up an afterschool mentorship program where nazi youth could learn vocational skills such as screenprinting, flyering, booking all ages shows.

Yerac, Monday, 22 April 2019 17:20 (seven years ago)

yeah i wouldn't worry about biden-- it's harris imo who has the best shot at being assigned to warm the seat for the next nazi.

― difficult listening hour, Monday, April 22, 2019 12:47 PM (forty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I think you're right. Harris seems set on being the cipher that everyone can project their hopes onto, and in a crowded field that seems like a savvy place to be.

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Monday, 22 April 2019 17:31 (seven years ago)

She’s doing such a good job that people are forgetting to mention her in polls

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 22 April 2019 18:10 (seven years ago)

feeling primary angst because I want to vote for Warren, but I'm worried that will effectively translate into a vote for Biden. Someone talk me down.

The only method of voting for Warren is voting for Warren.

blokes you can't rust (sic), Monday, 22 April 2019 18:14 (seven years ago)

You can donate to her campaign to help her stay afloat, outlast the more frivolous candidates, and be mo re e likely to be an option when you end up voting.

moist owlette (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 22 April 2019 19:03 (seven years ago)

idk, y'all, but Prosecutor Harris is way tougher than you're making her sound. I do sense traces of post-Clinton flim flammery though.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 22 April 2019 19:08 (seven years ago)

i wouldn't say she's a cipher-- not when she's standing next to beto-- but she is not a shamelessly aggressive redistributionist and shamelessly aggressive redistribution is the only serious antifascist game in town.

difficult listening hour, Monday, 22 April 2019 19:13 (seven years ago)

yes, she does care about shame, it's true

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 22 April 2019 19:14 (seven years ago)

The problem with lawyers, especially lib ones, is the fetishizing of data and reason, and she doesn't sound irrational enough to give aspirational politics a try.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 22 April 2019 19:15 (seven years ago)

i have no problem with data and reason, she just seems to give off a studiously noncommittal-bordering-on-evasive vibe a lot of the time. my point was that might actually be a smart strategic play, especially for someone who may not have a huge national profile but also has clearly spent a long time building up to this moment and doesn't really need to go on a media blitz like "Hi I'm Mayor Pete"

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Monday, 22 April 2019 19:23 (seven years ago)

well, warren is demonstrating we hardly need abandon data and reason-- but yes fetishizing them imo usually means fetishizing a particular version of them (or worse: a particular group of professional explainers of them) and imagining it's the only one. xp

difficult listening hour, Monday, 22 April 2019 19:24 (seven years ago)

i have no problem with data and reason, she just seems to give off a studiously noncommittal-bordering-on-evasive vibe a lot of the time. my point was that might actually be a smart strategic play, especially for someone who may not have a huge national profile but also has clearly spent a long time building up to this moment and doesn't really need to go on a media blitz like "Hi I'm Mayor Pete"

― Evans on Hammond (evol j),

In a field with 800 candidates, many of which are variants on Entenmann's Pound Cake, it pays to be manic. When Joe Geritol finally declares in October 2020, the fun will be gone.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 22 April 2019 19:26 (seven years ago)

especially for someone who may not have a huge national profile but also has clearly spent a long time building up to this moment and doesn't really need to go on a media blitz

yeah this is why i think of her as a frontrunner despite her current polling-- she seems better-placed than the various shiny objects ahead of her to end up the lib wing's clinton-succeeding standard-bearer after the gop-in-2012-style flurry has died down. could be wrong obv.

difficult listening hour, Monday, 22 April 2019 19:30 (seven years ago)

I get the sense that won’t work this year. The candidate wjo wins is going to have to really captivate voters

Trϵϵship, Monday, 22 April 2019 19:31 (seven years ago)

Thats why bernie, biden and buttigieg are doing well. Bernie is an america people who dared people to dream about a decent future; biden, whatever you think of him, is a comforting kind of figure for many, avuncular; and buttigieg is a boy genius in the mold of doogie howser which is a familair archetype to american voters.

Trϵϵship, Monday, 22 April 2019 19:35 (seven years ago)

I missed some words in there but im not running for anything so

Trϵϵship, Monday, 22 April 2019 19:35 (seven years ago)

I get the sense that "avuncular" means "thinking I can get away with patting women's asses."

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 22 April 2019 19:36 (seven years ago)

A lot of americans want to think that about themselves.

Trϵϵship, Monday, 22 April 2019 19:37 (seven years ago)

one reason one of the Bs might vanquish her after all is that, i suspect, it's the very libs who were the most convinced last time that bernie support was sublimated sexism who have the coldest feet this time about nominating another woman

difficult listening hour, Monday, 22 April 2019 19:42 (seven years ago)

As fun as it is to be pessimistic I think it’s premature to be psychoanalyzing the false consciousness of the primary electorate

don't mock my smock or i'll clean your clock (silby), Monday, 22 April 2019 19:54 (seven years ago)

All the main women running have never lost a race before. Can't say the same about most of the men who seem to be in the "poll" leads.

Yerac, Monday, 22 April 2019 19:55 (seven years ago)

I think it’s premature to be psychoanalyzing the false consciousness of the primary electorate

quite.

difficult listening hour, Monday, 22 April 2019 19:56 (seven years ago)

Biden to announce presidential run Wednesday in Charlottesville, Va., the site of a clash in August 2017 between white supremacists and counterprotesters that claimed one life, @PittsburghPG reports --> https://t.co/gME3sFhAQq via @PittsburghPG

— Adam Edelman (@abedelman) April 22, 2019

Simon H., Monday, 22 April 2019 21:49 (seven years ago)

eurgh

Boris Bronfentrinker of Quinn Emanuel Urquhart & Sullivan (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 22 April 2019 21:50 (seven years ago)

But the real twist is that he's going to announce using a Tony Blair speech.

moist owlette (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 22 April 2019 22:00 (seven years ago)

I'd be into it if he desecrates the Robert E Lee statue after he announces.

Yerac, Monday, 22 April 2019 22:16 (seven years ago)

I would allow statue humping (not the horse though).

Yerac, Monday, 22 April 2019 22:17 (seven years ago)

But the real twist is that he's going to announce using a Tony Blair speech.


fyi joe, anointing heather heyer ‘the people’s princess’ would not be cool

Boris Bronfentrinker of Quinn Emanuel Urquhart & Sullivan (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 22 April 2019 22:40 (seven years ago)

fuck you joe

|Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 23 April 2019 00:31 (seven years ago)

im so proud of my mom elizabeth warren

be the 2 chainz you want 2 see in the world (m bison), Tuesday, 23 April 2019 00:41 (seven years ago)


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