2020 Democratic presidential primary

kind of a perverse idea of compelling there

I'll start being concerned if he's still a favorite three months from now

but there are fucking dragons to slay tho

I'll start being concerned if he's still a favorite three months from now

I suggest we watch The Ten Commandments on ABC tonight to get an idea of what dragons and leadership look like.

so it shall be written
so it shall be done

I think Stacey Abrams would be a dynamite veep for Sanders. Maybe she rejected Biden because he sucks and not necessarily because she’s off the table.

why on earth would she accept a nullity of a Constitutional position?

I missed that Mayor Pete used "virtue signalling" a while back, I hope an aide told him to cut it out

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/27/politics/pete-buttigieg-opposes-boycotts-chickfila/index.html

No. 3: 26% of current Bernie Sanders supporters said that they would rather vote for President Donald Trump over Senator Elizabeth Warren, if that were the eventual 2020 matchup.

ugh. wonder how that 26% breaks down between trolls, accelerationists, and assholes who would like some socialism, but failing that, are happy to take the racism.

I saw some huffing and puffing about that poll but can't find it now, anyway there's some dispute over those #s (as always)

/is this true? Where are you getting this?/

again, typical polls caveat🕸, but

_No. 3: 26% of current Bernie Sanders supporters said that they would rather vote for President Donald Trump over Senator Elizabeth Warren, if that were the eventual 2020 matchup._

why on earth would she accept a nullity of a Constitutional position?

― recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, April 20, 2019 6:47 PM (fifty-three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

uh, because she’s unemployed? can we maybe cool it with the hyperbole about VP like it’s some sort of embarrassment to?

A poll of 300 (!!!) people requires a bit more than a typical poll caveat
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Saturday, April 20, 2019 7:23 PM (eighteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

26% of 30% is also not that much

Abrams being veep would obviously position her favorably to be POTUS in 2028 and possibly even 2024 given Sanders’ age.

I’d personally rather see her run for senate but I think she’d be a boon for Bernie

Since when did serving as vice president prove good positioning to be elected president? It's only happened once by vote in the last several decades, and George Sr. didn't even manage a second term. Unless you expect whomever she serves under to die in office.

maybe the idea is that since she hasn't had much electoral success yet it would be a substantial boost in subsequent ability to win office

No. 3: 26% of current Bernie Sanders supporters said that they would rather vote for President Donald Trump over Senator Elizabeth Warren, if that were the eventual 2020 matchup.

Where did those supporters come from and how did Bernie get them?

We're talking about winning over potential 'swing voters'. Any swing voters already won over were previously for Trump. Lots of future gains here too. I get that we want a certain standard from our candidates, but from supporters and voters? We need those guys! Centrists are always telling us this. But instead of reaching them by pandering to them you sell them something else

The fact is, in 2020 if a Democrat wins, whoever it is, they'll have some former Trump voters and they're not all going to be "oh I've seen the light I was so wrong" types. I agree its more about getting your 'stay at homes' to actually vote than swing voters, but those swing voters shouldn't be discounted, especially as they're a) not the traditional swing voters and b) live in really important states!

That same poll apparently showed that 40% of Booker voters, 40% of Buttigieg voters, and 12% of Warren primary voters somehow would vote for Trump over Warren in the general. So maybe not a good basis for anyone to be drawing any conclusions from

If that result can be fathomed at all, the only sense I can make of it is to guess that these are voters who have a hard time distinguishing Elizabeth Warren from Hillary Clinton, and there's a good dose of misogyny at work in their conflation of the two.

Lol, 12% of Warren voters would vote Trump over Warren

Lets put this poll in the trash

That same poll apparently showed that 40% of Booker voters, 40% of Buttigieg voters, and 12% of Warren primary voters somehow would vote for Trump over Warren in the general. So maybe not a good basis for anyone to be drawing any conclusions from

― Jeff Bathos (symsymsym), 21. april 2019 07:43 (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

The number for Buttigieg is less than 10%, for Booker it's 33,3% but that is 2 out of 6. It's 1/8th of Warren voters as well, and it might be explained by Trump fans who thinks she's the weakest candidate?

Also, a hearty lol at this poll being shot down because it shows something bad for Bernie. Simon posted it before because it seemed to show Bernies voters were the most diverse.

oh stop it, you saw the sample size

good morning!

Since when did serving as vice president prove good positioning to be elected president?

It gives you decent positioning to win your party's nomination next time: in the last 50 years, Humphrey, Mondale, Bush, Gore. If you add running-for-VP (and an extra two decades...), Dole. Getting elected, no.

Would Biden be running if he hadn't been veep?

His first run was in '88.

The poll is pissweak, but if you've been on the internet the last three years, you know that Berniebros are a real thing (nb "a real thing" /= "the majority of Bernie's support").

A Bernie endorsement of Warren would switch more of those dipshits, whose votes still count, to Warren than would a head-to-head defeat of Bernie by Warren.

The story of Warren’s awakening—from a true believer in free markets to a business-bashing enforcer of fair markets; from a moderate Republican who occasionally missed an election to one of the most liberal senators in America vying to lead the Democratic Party—breaks the mold of the traditional White House contender and is key to understanding how she sees the world: with a willingness to change when presented with new data, and the anger of someone who trusted the system and felt betrayed.

Warren herself says that in her early academic work she was merely following the dominant theory of the time, which emphasized the efficiency of free markets and unrestrained businesses, rather than holding strong conservative beliefs herself. Still, she acknowledged in our interview that she underwent a profound change in how she viewed public policy early in her academic career, describing the experience as “worse than disillusionment” and “like being shocked at a deep-down level.”

Her conversion was ideological before it turned partisan. The first shift came in the mid-’80s, as she traveled to bankruptcy courts across the country to review thousands of individual cases—a departure from the more theoretical academic approach—and saw that Americans filing for bankruptcy more closely resembled her own family, who struggled financially, rather than the irresponsible deadbeats she had expected.

It wasn’t until Warren was recruited onto a federal commission to help reform the bankruptcy code in the mid-1990s—and then fought for those reforms and lost that battle in 2005—that she became the unapologetic partisan brawler she was in creating the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, serving in the Senate and, now, stumping on the 2020 campaign trail. “I realize nonpartisan just isn’t working,” she recalls of that second conversion moment. “By then it’s clear: The only allies I have are in the Democratic Party, and it’s not even the majority of Democrats.”

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/04/12/elizabeth-warren-profile-young-republican-2020-president-226613

<3

I want to see President Warren happen

“I realize nonpartisan just isn’t working,” she recalls of that second conversion moment. “By then it’s clear: The only allies I have are in the Democratic Party, and it’s not even the majority of Democrats.”

MY MA'AM

I don't know if Howard Schultz has settled on a campaign slogan yet, but "...the majority of Americans are Americans" is certainly a choice pic.twitter.com/LBImTznAuh

— Josh Billinson (@jbillinson) April 20, 2019

We're supposed to read that slogan as incredibly dumb rather than incredibly sinister, right?

it's an aesthetic dereliction there that the model is not smirking dementedly on her left side only

Irresponsible deadbeats deserve compassion too!!!!!

Damn she's really gunning for the zeitgeist

https://www.thecut.com/amp/2019/04/elizabeth-warren-review-game-of-thrones-season-8.html

she should start a tv recap site with kareem abdul-jabbar

oh no lizbeth

GOT is just tiding her over til Ballers comes back

Seth Moulton '20: feel the moultmentum

Hot as Moulton Lava

I loved his disco remixes!

for guys like Moulton, Ryan and Swalwell, this has to a branding exercise. Either that or they think people are going to literally blindfold themselves and throw darts at the ballot.

to paraphrase a source I daren't cite here, they all figured out there's no longer a lasting downside to running for President and losing.

https://frinkiac.com/meme/S06E22/1080662.jpg?b64lines=IEhFTExPLiBUSElTIElTIG1vdWx0b24KIElOIFRIRSBNT1JOSU5HLiAKR09PRCBtb3VsdG9uIFRPIFlPVS4=

xp is “failing upward” the phrase I keep seeing recently?

Moulton: "Veterans aren't going to let themselves be defined by a draft dodger."

Oh yes they fucking ARE, and they have demonstrated that time and time again.

One wonders where he's been the last three years.

banger

Student loan debt is crushing millions of families. That’s why I’m calling for something truly transformational: Universal free college and the cancellation of debt for more than 95% of Americans with student loan debt. Read all about it here: https://t.co/IG9J5CiNb7

— Elizabeth Warren (@ewarren) April 22, 2019