2020 Democratic presidential primary

This is going back a ways, but the GOP consciously thought of star power when putting Teddy Roosevelt on the 1900 ticket.

ha yes it is

xxp and McGovern wanted Shriver in the first place!

Assuming he'll want someone with mostly simpatico politics, I honestly have no idea who Bernie could have as a running mate if NOT Warren tbh.

if he gets the nomination he'll want to win, first, and same for her

the vice president isn't making policy

I honestly have no idea who Bernie could have as a running mate if NOT Warren tbh.

I'm sure Sanders could reach into the House and find a few veep possibilities. I'm not sure if any governors would be a good fit. He could name Sen. Merkley, who'd be simpatico, but who is from another small state and is a middling fit for any of the ticket-balancing reasons why veeps usually get nominated.

how do either Bernie or Warren expand their vote by picking the other?

Warren is polling drastically back in the pack (yes polls etc etc), Bernie is extremely popular, Bernie also has a rump of deadshit supporters who would not vote for Warren on her own, QED

and one-noting on a pet topic is traditionally an acceptable pursuit for a veep

Assuming he'll want someone with mostly simpatico politics, I honestly have no idea who Bernie could have as a running mate if NOT Warren tbh.

― Simon H.,

Nina Turner? Ro Khanna? Got a feeling he might go with Tulsi though

Bernie also has a rump of deadshit supporters who would not vote for Warren on her own

is this true? Where are you getting this?

Well all the candidates have a rump of shithead supporters!

anyway Warren wld be daily defending against a barrage that "she is trying to take your money!" It will be 24/7 socialism socialism socialism

The person they pick to disabuse swing voters of this notion will not be...Bernie Sanders

or vice versa

is this true? Where are you getting this?

again, typical polls caveat, but

No. 3: 26% of current Bernie Sanders supporters said that they would rather vote for President Donald Trump over Senator Elizabeth Warren, if that were the eventual 2020 matchup.

The person they pick to disabuse swing voters of this notion will not be...Bernie Sanders

just tell swing voters that socialism is cool actually

This is a good thread

Why is the media so in love with Buttigieg? Because his resume—USSYP, elite college, Rhodes—is an exemplar of meritocratic success. He is the child and apparent savior of America’s meritocratic ruling class.

— Mike Gravel (@MikeGravel) April 19, 2019

xp ok that is crazy

that EW is trailing both Beto and Buttigieg is maddening

swing voters aren't real. the name of the game is mobilizing nonvoters. the lefter the candidate, the easier that is. trying to "broaden" sanders or warren's appeal with some dopey moderate vp probably wouldn't be enough to torpedo the campaign, but it would be a really strange thing to do when you could nominate a safe leftist instead.

i agree that pulling both sanders+warren out of the senate at the same time is not ideal and for this reason i am open to other vp choices for either of them; but they are obviously a winning ticket.

xp Obama Republicans were real, Obama-Trump voters were real

there is no need to continue obsessing over demographic slices of the piddling subset of the american population everyone has gotten used to thinking of as the voting public. some obama-trump voters voted for a vague idea of change in 2008, a vaguer idea of change in 2016, and will therefore probably not be looking for the safe hands of the status quo in 2020. others are irrevocably in for trump now because white supremacy is a helluva drug and it's too late to detox them. that's okay. they are badly outnumbered.

nominate leftists and for every philadelphia suburbanite we lose we pick up literally thousands everywhere else.

This is a good thread

🐦[Why is the media so in love with Buttigieg? Because his resume—USSYP, elite college, Rhodes—is an exemplar of meritocratic success. He is the child and apparent savior of America’s meritocratic ruling class.
— Mike Gravel (@MikeGravel) April 19, 2019🕸]🐦

but there are fucking dragons to slay tho

kind of a perverse idea of compelling there

xxp DLH this sounds like a great plan for after the electoral college is abolished

anyway I would love to see a Warren-Sanders ticket but professional obsessers of piddling subsets will make sure it doesn't happen

professional obsessers of piddling subsets will make sure it doesn't happen

now here my sanguinity vanishes and i fear i agree

Pete's the very model of a modern Mayor Buttigieg.

slay 'em with glibness

kind of a perverse idea of compelling there

I'll start being concerned if he's still a favorite three months from now

but there are fucking dragons to slay tho

I'll start being concerned if he's still a favorite three months from now

I suggest we watch The Ten Commandments on ABC tonight to get an idea of what dragons and leadership look like.

so it shall be written
so it shall be done

I think Stacey Abrams would be a dynamite veep for Sanders. Maybe she rejected Biden because he sucks and not necessarily because she’s off the table.

why on earth would she accept a nullity of a Constitutional position?

I missed that Mayor Pete used "virtue signalling" a while back, I hope an aide told him to cut it out

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/27/politics/pete-buttigieg-opposes-boycotts-chickfila/index.html

No. 3: 26% of current Bernie Sanders supporters said that they would rather vote for President Donald Trump over Senator Elizabeth Warren, if that were the eventual 2020 matchup.

ugh. wonder how that 26% breaks down between trolls, accelerationists, and assholes who would like some socialism, but failing that, are happy to take the racism.

I saw some huffing and puffing about that poll but can't find it now, anyway there's some dispute over those #s (as always)

/is this true? Where are you getting this?/

again, typical polls caveat🕸, but

_No. 3: 26% of current Bernie Sanders supporters said that they would rather vote for President Donald Trump over Senator Elizabeth Warren, if that were the eventual 2020 matchup._

why on earth would she accept a nullity of a Constitutional position?

― recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, April 20, 2019 6:47 PM (fifty-three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

uh, because she’s unemployed? can we maybe cool it with the hyperbole about VP like it’s some sort of embarrassment to?

A poll of 300 (!!!) people requires a bit more than a typical poll caveat
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Saturday, April 20, 2019 7:23 PM (eighteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

26% of 30% is also not that much

Abrams being veep would obviously position her favorably to be POTUS in 2028 and possibly even 2024 given Sanders’ age.

I’d personally rather see her run for senate but I think she’d be a boon for Bernie

Since when did serving as vice president prove good positioning to be elected president? It's only happened once by vote in the last several decades, and George Sr. didn't even manage a second term. Unless you expect whomever she serves under to die in office.

maybe the idea is that since she hasn't had much electoral success yet it would be a substantial boost in subsequent ability to win office

No. 3: 26% of current Bernie Sanders supporters said that they would rather vote for President Donald Trump over Senator Elizabeth Warren, if that were the eventual 2020 matchup.

Where did those supporters come from and how did Bernie get them?

We're talking about winning over potential 'swing voters'. Any swing voters already won over were previously for Trump. Lots of future gains here too. I get that we want a certain standard from our candidates, but from supporters and voters? We need those guys! Centrists are always telling us this. But instead of reaching them by pandering to them you sell them something else

The fact is, in 2020 if a Democrat wins, whoever it is, they'll have some former Trump voters and they're not all going to be "oh I've seen the light I was so wrong" types. I agree its more about getting your 'stay at homes' to actually vote than swing voters, but those swing voters shouldn't be discounted, especially as they're a) not the traditional swing voters and b) live in really important states!

That same poll apparently showed that 40% of Booker voters, 40% of Buttigieg voters, and 12% of Warren primary voters somehow would vote for Trump over Warren in the general. So maybe not a good basis for anyone to be drawing any conclusions from

If that result can be fathomed at all, the only sense I can make of it is to guess that these are voters who have a hard time distinguishing Elizabeth Warren from Hillary Clinton, and there's a good dose of misogyny at work in their conflation of the two.