2020 Democratic presidential primary

I could see Warren as the non-evil antimirror of Cheney.

Also, any Sanders veep has a decent chance of becoming president

― Simon H., Saturday, April 20, 2019 9:31 AM (seventeen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yup

Sanders would never allow a VP to dictate policy the way Cheney did. She'd spend four years in the most useless senate chair there is.

― Frederik B, Saturday, April 20, 2019 10:35 AM (fifty-six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is silly conjecture

Ban the word "wonky"

https://www.popjustice.com/images/stories/w/wonkypop360.jpg

how about Bernie for veep

frederik, im gonna say this again

please shut the fuck up

― be the 2 chainz you want 2 see in the world (m bison), Saturday, April 20, 2019 7:19 AM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

new board description imo

i’m pretty leery of losing either one of far and away the two best Senators we have, especially sacrificing one for something as lame as VP. even so, I’d be on board with a Sanders/ Warren or Warren/ Sanders ticket if it somehow got lefty purists and resistance dorks on the same page—and that page should be telling the donor class and their lapdogs in DC to fuck themselves into oblivion.

but it probably wouldn’t so eh

Havent listened to first (any?) rtj in 4 yrs until today and it was so on point and predictive of what we have that i they get my warren sanders inaugural perf vote, they’d figure it out.

xp if we are lucky enough to get a Sanders or Warren nomination the ticket will necessarily be balanced with a milquetoast moderate

and it sucks but really the same goes for a Harris or Biden nomination, there's no political advantage in the general election to nominating a true progressive

to *picking* a true progressive

I wonder how the conventional wisdom among Republican strategists has settled now, a decade after McCain picked Palin, as to whether her presence on the ticket strengthened or weakened the party overall.

if they acknowledge it as one of those moments that precipitated this lunacy, and that party registration is down nationwide, I would imagine "weakened"

how about Bernie for veep

Warren / Bernie is my preferred ticket for both combined policy and combined electability

how do either Bernie or Warren expand their vote by picking the other?

two inside-the beltway New England "socialists"?

do veeps actually increase the voter base?

that's usually the hope, yes

idk. not sure if regional calculations mean much any more (partic among Dems?). I feel like “star power” for likely voters prob carries more weight. Sanders—and yeah Warren, despite her lackluster poll last rn—def have that.

pollS rn*

how do either Bernie or Warren expand their vote by picking the other?

I'm coming empty thinking of a veep nominee who has had star power

Palin

Agnew

Palin, nope. She became a star afterward. She came out of nowhere.

They picked her because she was everything McCain wasn't: "centrist," male, D.C., old

that’s fair.

er flip that: young, tea party, female, governor

but christ was it immediate. shit was ludicrous

almost literally overnight

veep nominee who has had star power

The Kennedy family loaned Sargent Shriver to McGovern to help paper over the Eagleton fiasco, but he barely registered in the public consciousness amid avalanche that fell on McGovern in that election. I suspect Shriver preferred that his nomination be forgotten as rapidly as possible.

Neither Bernie nor Warren make any sense as VPs, and even less so for one to be VP to the other!

This is going back a ways, but the GOP consciously thought of star power when putting Teddy Roosevelt on the 1900 ticket.

ha yes it is

xxp and McGovern wanted Shriver in the first place!

Assuming he'll want someone with mostly simpatico politics, I honestly have no idea who Bernie could have as a running mate if NOT Warren tbh.

if he gets the nomination he'll want to win, first, and same for her

the vice president isn't making policy

I honestly have no idea who Bernie could have as a running mate if NOT Warren tbh.

I'm sure Sanders could reach into the House and find a few veep possibilities. I'm not sure if any governors would be a good fit. He could name Sen. Merkley, who'd be simpatico, but who is from another small state and is a middling fit for any of the ticket-balancing reasons why veeps usually get nominated.

how do either Bernie or Warren expand their vote by picking the other?

Warren is polling drastically back in the pack (yes polls etc etc), Bernie is extremely popular, Bernie also has a rump of deadshit supporters who would not vote for Warren on her own, QED

and one-noting on a pet topic is traditionally an acceptable pursuit for a veep

Assuming he'll want someone with mostly simpatico politics, I honestly have no idea who Bernie could have as a running mate if NOT Warren tbh.

― Simon H.,

Nina Turner? Ro Khanna? Got a feeling he might go with Tulsi though

Bernie also has a rump of deadshit supporters who would not vote for Warren on her own

is this true? Where are you getting this?

Well all the candidates have a rump of shithead supporters!

anyway Warren wld be daily defending against a barrage that "she is trying to take your money!" It will be 24/7 socialism socialism socialism

The person they pick to disabuse swing voters of this notion will not be...Bernie Sanders

or vice versa

is this true? Where are you getting this?

again, typical polls caveat, but

No. 3: 26% of current Bernie Sanders supporters said that they would rather vote for President Donald Trump over Senator Elizabeth Warren, if that were the eventual 2020 matchup.

The person they pick to disabuse swing voters of this notion will not be...Bernie Sanders

just tell swing voters that socialism is cool actually

This is a good thread

Why is the media so in love with Buttigieg? Because his resume—USSYP, elite college, Rhodes—is an exemplar of meritocratic success. He is the child and apparent savior of America’s meritocratic ruling class.

— Mike Gravel (@MikeGravel) April 19, 2019

xp ok that is crazy

that EW is trailing both Beto and Buttigieg is maddening

swing voters aren't real. the name of the game is mobilizing nonvoters. the lefter the candidate, the easier that is. trying to "broaden" sanders or warren's appeal with some dopey moderate vp probably wouldn't be enough to torpedo the campaign, but it would be a really strange thing to do when you could nominate a safe leftist instead.

i agree that pulling both sanders+warren out of the senate at the same time is not ideal and for this reason i am open to other vp choices for either of them; but they are obviously a winning ticket.