Seizing back control: The ILX lol brexit is how we're all gonna die thread.

xp should note tom and jim as prob more expert and at least as invested as i am at least, soz

No problems but, guess what, Scottish politics is never, and I mean never, covered in any detail in these threads - beyond why don't they like Corbyn up there - maybe someone should start a song and dance about that too?

I don’t know anything about Scottish politics! And I have at least asked about it when it comes up because I would like to know more.

Obviously it isn't comparable to the possible shitshow that could develop in NI but you have got a constituent part of the UK which voted 62-38 Remain, is dominated by a separatist party and where 45% of the electorate voted to leave the UK not that long ago.

I want every PIP/Universal Credit related suicide to be posted about on this thread, or I'm going to get really arsey and assume you are all a bunch of fucking pro-austerity melts *sheeit I forgot - some of you are and there is at least one LibDem voter lurking about!*

lol look fair enough its not an attempt to melt anyones face off with criticism i promise

only meant as a joke mainly!

peace!

Honest answer I thought this was a thread about Brexit! Not excusing not posting about it and the NI threads should be more active but even then I doubt Id post anything because I don't feel qualified to talk about it ("that's never stopped yer before has it Ned?") but I am genuinely interested in what NI posters have to say for that very reason. It's a disgrace how disconnected the English are about NI but hey ho it's ever been thus. Just ask Kevin Rowlands.

I mean, didn't we used to have more general UK pol threads? Fucking Brexit.

this is the UK politics soup kitchen and the brexit soup is much richer and higher in protein from the bottom of the urn, but no more satisfying than the gruel at the top!

be hugely interested in what english/british posters thought or knew about the north tbh!

i dont feel in any way qualified myself def theres far more knowledgeable and invested posters active

I just assumed the lack of posting was holiday weekend effect

certainly the murder of lyra mckee has been all over my twitter feed, is incredibly sad, and (from what I can gather of my admittedly not amazing understanding of current irish politics) seems to be another marker of an increasingly febrile situation in NI, which hasn’t been helped by the collapse of power sharing these past 18-24 (? longer?) months and the ongoing wrangling of brexit

we should also post about scottish politics more too. this week has been marked by SNP infighting around recognition of trans rights & kezia dugdale’s success against wings

still utterly shameful that karen bradley didn’t resign

yes to all three posts

IIRC the SNP’s biggest donor is Brian Souter who is not known for his C21 viewpoints on sexuality and gender.

Was out catching sun all day so not much chance to mark Lyra McKee’s murder on any form of social media, but I’d like her remembered as the writer of this:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/apr/19/lyra-mckee-letter-gay-journalism-northern-ireland

tbf to nicola sturgeon she has been unequivocal in her support for trans rights, which is very heartening. it’s other members of her cabinet causing her difficulty

An online coversation has been leaked which appears to show some SNP MSPs angry about @NicolaSturgeon’s backing of trans rights, saying she’s “out of step” with group feelings. One is convener of Equalities committee, one is a Scot Gov Minister. 👀 https://t.co/QJj28RXZJS

— Alan Jenkins (@ajjenkins) April 16, 2019

they also took that homophobe’s money and then near-immediately introduced very progressive same sex marriage legislation

continuing on the “FFS adonis” theme...

Labour MEP candidate Lord Adonis: If you are a Brexiteer don't vote Labour.

We tend to agree. Register your support for The Brexit Party today: https://t.co/5KXqjsL2dS pic.twitter.com/5xXuduFenm

— The Brexit Party (@brexitparty_uk) April 19, 2019

About time this fool was shown the door.

he already got shown the door.. unfortunately it was the one marked "a lifetime of privilege and opportunities for this fat fucking bald rich cunt to keep talking shit for decades.. ad infuckingfinitum....

I’m sorry but drinking cans on trains and the NHS are the only good things about this rainy fascist island

A photo of me drinking from a can of M&S mojito on the Overground has been circulated. I'm sincerely sorry for drinking on TFL.

— Diane Abbott (@HackneyAbbott) April 19, 2019

be hugely interested in what english/british posters thought or knew about the north tbh!

Anyway, so I started asking around, you know
I started making a few enquiries
Just putting out a few feelers
Yeah? Yeah
I had a word with a couple of so called socialists on my way
And during the course of our conversation
I put to them a question, I said:
"How do you feel about Ireland?"
Ireland? Yeah, Ireland
That place, it's just across the sea
Oh yeah, I know the place
Well they said:
"We're for Sandinista, Cuba's militia
The PLO, M.P.L.A, Afghanistan and Babylon"
They went on and on and on and on
And I said: "Alright, Alright
But what do you think about Belfast?"
And what did they say?
Well, their replies were various
But they all had one thing in common
And what was that?

They all sounded the same
You mean they sounded alike ?
They all sounded the same

I didn't know anything about Lyra McKee beforehand, though it turns out she's a friend of a friend up there.

I'm regularly pretty ignorant of the north too, to the extent that I thought "This is a horrible story, but isn't 'riots and petrol bombs on the streets of Derry' also a story? Is it just what happens now and I haven't noticed before?"

I'm in the position where I think the killing* has been exploited for political purposes while still entity agreeing with the political purposes - killing a young gay Northern Irish journalist looks a lot worse than it would have the last time a journalist was killed 20 years ago, irrespective that it appears to be accidental.

Agreeing with the political purposes and with the exploitation, that is.

In other news, https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/baby-citizenship-uk-status-child-immigration-home-office-parents-america-a8878421.html

London-born baby with British-resident parents denied UK status

A tale of Real England. The only unusual thing about it is that both parents are white.

xps One Of Those Things genuinely made me question just why I was wasting my time at Labour meetings where 95% of the time would be spent discussing [see Kevin's list above plus nuclear weapons] and 5% on, oh, I don't know, the NHS. Whereas when you went out canvassing people they very rarely mentioned El Salvador (but almost always mentioned the bins, some struggles are eternal).

A UK consular officer advised the baby to gurgle with an English accent to no avail.

sorry I know it is serious and horrible, but when they are doing this to what I presume are relatively wealthy white people, you feel like there might be a happy resolution for the family later. Unlike those poor people left to rot stateless and homeless in the Caribbean.

McKee’s killing front page of the Morning Star, for what it’s worth.

Yeah definitely, it's not surprising that one couple like that will get the same coverage that black families usually only get in bulk. Can't fault them for making the phonecalls to get the coverage though, and fair play to him / the journalist that the first quote is pretty much "we are getting the very best end of this".

(xp to calzino)

(xp to myself because I've just remembered it) As an aside, and ironically, given Rowlands background, when I lived in Brum in the early 80s folks DID occasionally discuss Ireland. I worked as a carer for a guy from Belfast whose best mate used to wind his friends up about losing the use of his legs in a punishment shooting (he actually fell of a roof nicking lead). Surest way to start an argument in a pub in Aston was to start talking about NI (Birmingham pub bombings still very much an issue even today much more so in the late 70s/early 80s) but at least it was talked about.

I can remember seeing Bobby Sands H-Block graffiti in Dublin as a kid and the Sinn Fein office in Kerry with Thatcher (with a noose around her neck I think) wanted dead or alive posters. And the frequent background hum of family dissing the fucking Brits and singing rebel songs when pissed up. I probably had much more than average (as a UK citizen) early exposure to this legacy of Brit imperialism in Ireland. But I still don't feel I'm Irish enough to have strong opinions on the North and only passively follow what is going on. It isn't that I don't give a shit and am massively pro United ROI obv. Probably cos I don't have much contact with Irish ppl anymore and the elderly ones in my UK family are dropping like flies - I don't really have any irl dialogue with people about the north.

sorry muddled shitpost. But I only really have the energy to despise one Tory at a time in my online interactions is probably the non tldr version.

Hatred for Tories is not strained, it drops as the gentle rain from heaven on the place beneath.

Diane Abbott as M&S canned cocktails: a thread pic.twitter.com/BYsJJnxIxP

— Louis Staples (@LouisStaples) April 20, 2019

Everyone backing Abbott on this apparently but I like the no drinking rule. Not everyone drinking on the bus is sipping an M&S cocktail, some are swaying about wetting themselves and spilling crappy cider over passengers WHO ARE JUST TRYING TO GET BACK TO THEIR FRIENDS HOUSE WITHOUT GETTING PISS ON THEM. Not that this about me obviously.

more power to the pissheads I say!

It was one of Boris's ideas, so fuck it.

https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/case-closed-red-stamp-text-white-43287144.jpg

I mean is it all possible that if somebody is going to get so drunk they piss themselves on public transport, this rule might not have registered that much with them anyway

yet another emblematic symbol of their political incompetence, a man with a bucket on his head could stop the pro-remain parties from getting a seat in the southeast for the euro elections

It is trickier for the other pro-EU UK-wide parties to worry about how this stunt may split the vote (in their second-best English region) when they are splitting the vote 3-ways anyway. pic.twitter.com/NrufBoWxFK

— Sunder Katwala (@sundersays) April 20, 2019

wrong tweet

The Buckethead stunt may make no difference at all. If he can get 50,000 votes (about 2%) he could help deny one of the pro-EU parties a seat. If unlucky with the maths, could even help the Brexit party, Ukip or Conservatives to nab a seat at the margin.

— Sunder Katwala (@sundersays) April 20, 2019

Is there a post-2008 golden era of TFL where there are never any drunk cunts annoying people on the tube, an era which Diane Abbott has now potentially destroyed in setting this example?

The answer is clear: she must be made to take that same journey again, so this time justice can be done and she can have been asked to leave the train

live webcast of Tommy Robinson making a citizen's arrest to follow.

There's a man who knows all about responsible drinking.

London-born baby with British-resident parents denied UK status

― Andrew Farrell, Saturday, April 20, 2019 1:56 AM (six hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

America sucks but birthright citizenship is good

I feel for that couple - I've been there - but the baby has a US passport. What sort of stamp do they expect it/he/she to get in it when they come back to the UK? A nod and a wave through? If you live somewhere you are supposed to have a document of some sort that shows you have the right to live there ¯\_(ツ)_/¯